Oslo Bomb Blast — Page 3

Well, in defense of those who jumped to the Muslim conclusion, a Muslim extremist group quickly took credit for the explosion. It was false, but that seems to be the way of it.

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I think there's a difference between suspicion and conclusion. There is arguably reason to suspect, especially (as JG2 points out) when snippets emerge initially pointing in that direction.

But I think there are those who predetermine that supposition to the point of conclusion, and any point of fact becomes moot.

You may have noticed that now that ties to "Muslim Extremist Terrorism" has been discounted, the guy is being referred to as a "mad man." Not as a terrorist.

The Norwegian media certainly refer to his actions as terrorism.

please let me know if there is anything being set up for the victims that one can either donate to or sign/submit to let Norway know how much people do care.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=244185822272540
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/lenke.php
http://www.vg.no/protokoll/?pid=965
(The newspaper whose headquarters were damaged in the bombing)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/utoya/oslo/kondolanse/innenriks/17424489/
http://www.aftenposten.no/hilsen/article4181222.ece
(click on "Her sender du din hilsen")
http://www20.nrk.no/meldinger/webmelding.aspx?prosjektid=1623&type=les
("Send inn nytt spørsmål")

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Death toll now at 93. 6 new arrests have been made.

Updated On: 7/24/11 at 05:20 AM

Thank you Salene (and thank you for the Google add-on translator!).

JG2 - I also posted that NY Times article on Facebook (mentioning the importance of open discussion,) and this was the first response I got (which reminded me of what your teacher said):

"I agree, but I'm also not sure how productive discussion is at this point in our history as a species. People become violent (nutjobs aside) when their interests are threatened. Global economic insecurity, driven by simple but apparently un...resolvable issues like overpopulation and resource scarcity, leads us to a place where fear and violence become common. Economic hardship led us directly into the last world war, and times are more dire than they have been since 1932.We all agree that tolerance and peaceful discourse are the hallmarks of civility, but civility is a hard sell to people who have retreated to their more primal values."

What in HELL is that man blathering on about?!?

Here's a great article about how Norway is dealing with the aftermath.
HuffPo

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Huh. That's interesting. They were reporting his beliefs as similar to the skinheads here. Admittedly, I have been mostly reading the news in English and opinion blogs. How can someone who "opposes all hate ideologies" justify what he did? You can't kill 90+ people in the name of acceptance and freedom.

He sounds nuts to me.

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"You can't kill 90+ people in the name of acceptance and freedom"

People rationalize a lot more killing than that in the name of war.

The numbers have been adjusted:
Oslo: 8
Utøya: 68

One person from my hometown is missing.

Turns out I actually know who he is. Was.

Thank you for the edjumication, papa. Next you can start on those Greek lessons you've promised me for years.

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That lower number is something positive, at least. I wonder how they came up with the higher numbers?

When he entered his not guilty plea, he claimed he was saving Europe from a Muslim invasion. I read things like that all the time here on Swedish news in English forums. Most of the immigrants are refugees and most of them are Muslim. The opposition argues that the majority of the refugees care nothing about integrating into Swedish society. I have seen evidence of that, but don't really see it as a positive or negative. I just see it as a people who have been in really $hitty circumstances who want to hold on to their culture. I mean, I make biscuits, gravy and sweet tea. I get it. (lame joke) Refugees also get money for going to school. So, the same classes I take, they get paid to sit in on. Some people really buckle down and get as much from it as they can. Others do absolutely nothing but sit there, making sure the teacher signs their attendance papers. That frustrates me because it slows class down, but what can you do? No matter what it is, someone is going to take advantage of it. Someone is always going to work the system.

Those that would take it to an extreme, argue that the Muslim population is slowly intending to take over. Since they are provided housing, the population tends to end up in the same area. It's more obvious in the bigger cities. I guess I could see how that could scare people, especially those with short fuses or at least give enough evidence to support extreme ideas. I mean, I have been scared being the only American around when crazy $hit goes down around the world, but I am a big chicken.

I guess my point is that as horrific as this is, it's not unexpected. The racism is getting more obvious and the temperature seems to be rising, metaphorically. I figured this sort of thing would happen sooner or later, but I thought it would be here, down South near Mälmö. I didn't realize it was as bad in Norway.


In the end, the only group that Breivik, McVeigh and the 9/11 bombers belong to is People Who Murder.

Very good point.

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Updated On: 7/25/11 at 03:21 PM

I read that due to the mass chaos when they arrived, some people may have been counted twice.

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