PETA

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 8/12/05 at 9:17pm

I empathize with those who like animals. I like animals & no experiments should be done for cosmetic purposes. Having said that, experiments to find a cure for a disease are something else again. I like eating meat & if people would rather not that is their prerogative. As long as they do not attempt to force their views on others

I read some quotes from the co founder of Peta & was blown away @ how off the wall she really is . Hopefully the majority of those in Peta do not share her views.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/12/05 at 9:34pm

Do you have a link for those quotes?

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 8/13/05 at 11:11pm

Take it from a vegetarian... PETA is crazy

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 7:30am

At last the voice of reason

[orion59]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 8:53am

I've known a few PETA members and do think they are way overboard in their beliefs. It seems that many of them are young, college kids who still believe that their advocacy and protests will topple big business and change the world. They're very idealistic and therefore tend to over do. I agree with much of what they stand for....a company shouldn't be allowed to spray deodorant in the eyes of animals, people shouldn't wear fur....not only is it wrong, but it looks ugly...nobody looks good in fur and researchers shouldn't be allowed to use animals for bizzare testing that holds no medical value. However, PETA goes about it the wrong way. If they would tone down teh approach, they might get more support instead of being perceived as a bunch of nuts.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 9:13am

As a vegetarian, I agree that their methods tend to alienate more 'friends' than they win. But I have to tell you, every so often they do something that puts a smile on my face. Lets just say that I am not a fan of big, oppulent, showy coats that are worn once or twice to make an entrance...but for which 160 little furry animals gave their little lives. And the sight of red paint on such a canvas has been known, be it right or wrong, to fill me with a certain sense of glee. I' not saying it's right. And I'm not saying that my views are consistent, because even *I* know that they're not since I wear leather. But just being honest, once in a while the PETA folks do something that makes me think to myself, "Way to go!"

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 10:11am

Read in today's paper they are pulling an ad or something on their website equating blacks in slavery with chickens being ready fo slaughter & being kept in pens

Guess even this was over the top for them & someone there had a modicum of self respect. The quotes from Newkirk the co founder are absolutely assinine. The best is that even if animal experiments found a cure for AIDS they would be against it. This says it all

[orion59]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 10:15am

I have to admit that, although I know it isn't right, I have also smiled at the site of a fur coat newly covered in red paint.

The woman who, a couple of years ago, announced that upon her death she wanted her body barbaqued....or something like that, I don't ermember exactly, is an example of the extremist nuts that tend to join PETA

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 10:19am

That's her

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:30pm

I wish this thread had even one actual quote linked to it.

I'm a vegetarian. I'm not a member of PETA, but I do support a lot of what they do and what they stand for. I agree that sometimes their tactics are extreme, but on the other hand, I don't understand why it's so hard for so many people to examine the treatment that animals are subjected to in this country and the world. You don't have to give up meat to admit that farming conditions are often deplorable. You don't have to be against animal testing to accept that there are some moral ambiguities involved.

Anyone who blithely believes that as a human being we should have absolute power over the animal kingdom should really lighten up on PETA.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:33pm

They are also hypocrite's. The Vice President of Pita takes medication that was tested on Animals due to a heart problem she has.

Updated On: 8/14/05 at 02:33 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:39pm

I'm coming from a similar place, Kringas and iflit. I do think a lot of what they do is crazy but crazy is often the only level at which people pay attention. And some of it is hilarious and some of it is way over a line.

I have to wonder if this PETA thing is on some right wing talking points memo this weekend, since this is the second thread to pop up out of nowhere about PETA?

And we see this all-or-nothing stuff all the time. PETA has done some crazy things so therefore there is nothing at all to discuss about the mistreatment of animals for human vanity or consumption. (If people still read Upton Sinclair's 1906 The Jungle, maybe groups like PETA wouldn't even need to exist.)

The right wing (Hello, Mr. Roxy!) uses that dismissal by association tactic ALL THE TIME and frankly, it's starting to lose its power. "Cindy Sherman has been blogging on Michael Moore's website! Ignore her! Dismiss her! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! The real president Dick (head) Cheney!"

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:43pm

Justice - Source, please? And upon providing the source, please explain how the actions of one member of the organization makes everyone else "hypocrite's" (sic).

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:48pm

Kringas,
My source was Penn & Teller's Bull****..you know the show that airs B.S. AND provides facts and evidence. There's a whole list as to why that company and the President herself are Hypocrite's. It's in Season 2. I would suggest renting it if you haven't seen it. In this episode, they also list other Animal Rights Orginizations that are actually a lot better than P.E.T.A.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:51pm

Do they spell hypocrite's (sic) like that? With the apostrophe?

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:53pm

Geez, i didn't realise I was being graded on my spellifications

A$$

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:58pm

Let the record show that you claimed to be being graded. And also let it show that you cleverly dropped the "A$$" at the bottom of your message.

No one is grading you, but you should realize that when you attempt to make a point, how you make it can be as important as the point itself.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 2:59pm

F*ck Off

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:01pm

Please refer to the second paragraph of my last message.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:02pm

And please, once again, refer to my reply.

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:04pm

I could got for a Pita Pocket right about now.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:05pm

Oh, I was. I'm just still trying to figure where you're going with the pseudo-swearing and name calling?

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[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:11pm

Where I'm going? I don't think so. You're the one who is leading with your correction of an apostrophe that didn't belong. Trying to prove that I am wrong in other areas, when all it seems to be is a regressed defense.
I called you an "A$$" simply because it fit perfectly. I dropped it down, because that is exactly how i would have said it.
Are you satisfied with my justification?

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:15pm

Are you satisfied with my justification?

The better question is, are you?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:16pm

To me the sort of mischaracterization of the group's tactics and intent by everybody from the Farm Bureau on down to the "I don't grasp any of this but I'll start a thread on it" Mr. Roxy is what strikes me the most.

We have Roxy dismissing the "co-founder" of PETA because of some quotes he read (without telling us where, naturally) and then we have Justice referring to the "President" of PETA, which he refers to as a "company."

I'm just thinking that people are making (essentially reactionary in the dictionary definition of the word) responses based on second and third hand discussions of things that other people "read" or "heard."

As for crazy militant tactics, all movements need crazy militants to make those activists closer to the mainstream seem perfectly reasonable. This is a role Jesse Helms fit nicely so that whack jobs like George W. Bush seem articulate and sensible.

The Human Rights Campaign and National Gay and Lebsian Task Force seemed like Rebublican dads and suburban lesbian moms respectively in comparison to ACT UP and Queer Nation.

It's how movement happens. I'm surprised Penn & Teller didn't realize they were playing into that when they listed the "more reasonable" animal rights groups than PETA. Without PETA, I tell you, the "more reasonable" groups would be coming in for the "they's just crazy" critiques of Roxy, morosco and Justice right now.