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[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:16pm

And for the record, I just asked about the apostrophe. You are the one who flew off the handle about it. If I touched a nerve, perhaps you should look within and examine that.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:16pm

Go eat a Cow!

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:18pm

Well, it sucks to be you.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:19pm

Because I don't eat meat?

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:21pm

No. Because you're an A$$.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:23pm

If you think that, that's fine. Are you sure I'm not an A$'$?

I hope you let go of some of that rage you're carrying around. I wonder if it comes from eating dead animal byproducts. All those hormones and antibiotics can really do a number on your system.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:24pm

THAT'S something that always happens in these discussions. I'm a vegetarian and have been for twenty years because about twenty years ago I decided I had to do SOMETHING healthy in my life. It was less about the ethics of animal cruelty, although the more I looked into that as time went on the happier I was that I wasn't part of that chain, than about not adding one more disease risk factor in my life.

Two decades later I have an older brother on cholesterol meds (a tall, relatively lean athlete type) and there's me with startlingly low levels of cholesterol. (Although my "good" cholesterol could be higher and I'm consuming more dark fruits and veggies and the like).

At some communal meals people will say, "I hope you're not offended that I am eating ribs," or some such and really, I couldn't give a crap.

But when discussions like this happen, somebody INEVITABLY says to a vegetarian "I'm gonna go enjoy a honking helping of veal parmagian right now, yummmmmmmmmmm, I love eating those calves that have been chained in a stall and never saw the light of day, take that sucker, bwahahahahahaha!" or "Go eat a cow!"

Ya know, enjoy your food, it's your funeral. But really, we're not on teams, so there's no need for you to put on your big foam rubber hand with the index finger extended chanting "M-E-A-T!" Seriously.

Go watch a NASCAR race.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:31pm

"I hope you let go of some of that rage you're carrying around. I wonder if it comes from eating dead animal byproducts."

Actually, I'm quite calm. But an attack begats an attack. You attack me, and I will bite back. I didn't start this, as you took it upon yourself to "correct" me, simply because you couldn't find anything else to say.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:32pm

I'm pretty sure that's a Bible quote. From the Begatitudes.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:33pm

I've noticed that, too, Namo. I wouldn't ever compare every meat-eater to someone like Justice, but it has been my personal experience that away from the net and the anti-PETA arena, it's generally the carnivores that are the most defensive (or downright spiteful) about the choices they make.

At my last job, for example, I had people try and surreptitiously slip me meat.


And not in a good way.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:37pm

Actually, I'm quite calm. But an attack begats an attack. You attack me, and I will bite back. I didn't start this, as you took it upon yourself to "correct" me, simply because you couldn't find anything else to say.

Honey, not to belabor my point, but all I did was ask if they has spelled hypocrite that way (after you twice made it possessive). That set off your name calling and "swearing."

And I've got plenty to say, as you can see. And I don't take it all so personally.

And finally (I'm preparing myself for some name calling and swearing here), "begats" isn't a word. You can hate me all you want, but it's not a word.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:38pm

I think they feel indicted somehow. As if somebody else's choice incriminates them.

I think that's why the conservative religious fundamentalists have to insist that sexuality is a choice (and so WHAT if it is?), because the only way they can be enraged would be if somebody else made a different choice than they did. They feel indicted, as if somebody is having the temerity to say THEY made the wrong choice. Because they have to be the center of every narrative, hey can't imagine that people make decisions for themselves and not to make commentary on others.

The perfect example of this for me is angry straight people who get furious when they see two really butch lesbians.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:46pm

Don't call me "Honey". Terms of endearment are off limits to you.
You can correct me all you want if that makes you feel like a better person. As for the name calling, i can only think of two: Pompous and Arrogant.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:47pm

It often has deep-rooted religious ties (much the same as the fear of other sexuality does). If I hear about how God gave humankind dominion over animals (Genesis 1:26) so therefore that somehow condones mistreatment of them, I'm going to throw up my soy milk and veggie burger.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:49pm

Don't call me "Honey". Terms of endearment are off limits to you. You can correct me all you want if that makes you feel like a better person. As for the name calling, i can only think of two: Pompous and Arrogant.

Interesting that you took my tone as endearing, honey, considering you're getting yourself so worked up here, honey.

And who are you to say what is off-limits to me? Just to spite you, I'm going to watch that 1983 Shirley MacLaine/Debra Winger gem and you can't stop me!!!!

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:52pm

Actually, It's done by laws of nature. Mankind has been eating animals since the beginning of time. Before the Bible was even invented. Animals also eat animals. So, are you comparing those Animals to Conservative Religious Fundamentalists?

Also, keep in mind that if you're avoiding eating them for the "living thing" factor, Plants and Vegetables happen to be living as well. It's like those damn tree huggers, who won't chop down a tree, but are more than willing to eat a rooted lettuce.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 3:54pm

Updated On: 8/14/05 at 03:54 PM

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:04pm

Well there are fruititarians, those who only eat fruit, but I wouldn't go that far with my own beliefs. I wouldn't call them pompous and arrogant, though. To the best of my knowledge, plants don't have brains or central nervous systems or the ability to feel pain. If you've got some information I don't, I'd be glad to be peruse it. I'm not so rigid in my beliefs that I can't be challenged to think about them.

And your tree-hugger/rooted lettuce tangent doesn't hold much water. I assume by your use of the pejorative "tree-hugger," you mean environmentalist or conservationist? If you really don't see the difference between eating lettuce and saving the rain forest, then I'm afraid nothing I say will ever get through to you.

Animals also kill each other and crap outside. They don't have the evolved consciousness that humans do. We have a responsibility to the earth and those that inhabit it, because we (well, at least some of us) have that awareness.

Edited to Add: I see you took out the line where you said "I really don't like you." It's because you really do like me, isn't it? I knew it!

Updated On: 8/14/05 at 04:04 PM

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:24pm

I had to put down my Double Whopper to say....

Justice,
You know better...walk away.

And Kringas,
For Christ's sakes, we get it. But are just trying to get up to Legend status in no time? You seem to enjoy poking the bear with a stick. And you voice seems to be getting higher with every post.

Now,
Do we need a time out?

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:27pm

In my deepest voice - I would never enjoy poking a bear with a stick. Well, I guess it depends on the bear's name.

And clever with the double whopper comment. You like meat. We get it. We got it when you posted to the other PETA thread, too.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:28pm

I took out that line, because i realised by putting it in would have brought this argument to a level in which I did not want to go.

As for pompous and Arrogant, that term applies to you.

you're so lucky that I have the time on my hands to sit here and argue with a computer.

By the way, I know plenty about Animals. I know that they feel as we humans do, that some have an emotional capacity equivelant, if not more, than the human species. And this argument isn't about being a Vegetetarian or even about Animal eating. It's about P.E.T.A. - an organization that is against an operation that saved my boyfriend's life - an organization that DOES NOT stand firmly with what they believe in - an organization that would rather have dogs and cats out on the streets, catching and spreading God knows what disease, rather than having them in the safety and care of someone's home.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:29pm

Perhaps you should have led with your personal bias then, instead of resorting to name-calling.

[Justice]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:31pm

f*ck off.

[Kringas]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:33pm

I believe you said that already.

[orion59]

Posted: 8/14/05 at 4:37pm

But when discussions like this happen, somebody INEVITABLY says to a vegetarian "I'm gonna go enjoy a honking helping of veal parmagian right now, yummmmmmmmmmm, I love eating those calves that have been chained in a stall and never saw the light of day, take that sucker, bwahahahahahaha!" or "Go eat a cow!"


There does seem to be an assumption that if you are vegetarian, it's for political reasons and that you are insulted by others eating meat. I was vegetarian for many years and used to get that from people. I worked at a small company for a while where there was myself, a vegetarian at the time, and a woman who was vegan. In planning a company hoilday party, I asked that they choose a restaraunt that had good alternative dishes for thsoe of us who did not eat meat. I was verbally attacked as though I had tried to convert all my co-workers to veganism. Frankly, I don't care what anyone eats.

Namo, you mentioned the militant activists of Act Up. Honestly, I felt the same about them that I do about PETA. The organization may have sincere and evry good goals but they tend to do thinsg that I think take away from their credibility and make them look like nuts. Act Up was the same way at times. The goals wa wonderful but they allowed the organizations events to be run by those who seemed to be more interested in attention than results.