Saddam Sentenced to Hang Within 30 Days- Page 2

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 6:24pm

I don't know who said it first, but...

'Even if we were to obey the Eye For An Eye thing, wouldn't we be all walking around blind and toothless?'

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 6:30pm

Roxy, you don't actually think that the attacks are all being perpetrated by Sadadam loyalists, do you?

[TAFKASP]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 6:31pm

In this thread it was touchmeinthemorning who said it first.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 7:02pm

NAMO

What I meant was , and I think you will agree, that if he is executed what is happening now in Iraq will look like a picnic compared to Iraq Hussein AD

Sentence him to watch videos of Lestat & In My life but that may be against the geneva convention

Updated On: 12/26/06 at 07:02 PM

[DBillyP]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 7:36pm

raul, you need to check your facts. It actually costs more to put a prisoner on death row than it does to imprison someone for life.
Death Penalty Info

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 7:39pm

Forgetting about Saddam for the moment, here is a question re life imprisonment vs execution

If someone in jail for life kills a guard or another prisoner, what is the punishment? Another life sentence?. If the party is jailed for life, you cannot punish him anymore . If that is the case, he has nothing to lose by killing again while in jail

[DBillyP]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 7:45pm

Actually, roxy, there are two different sentences: "life without parole" and "life."

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 7:59pm

Life without parole

That is another problem Life that is not really life

[Dollypop]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 8:28pm

I guess if anyone in the world deserves the death penalty it's Saddam Hussein. Still, the thought of a clinically administered execution sickens me.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 8:36pm

I also do not believe in state-sponsored executions.

And with Iraq - we will create yet another Martyr for the anti-American cause, as this will not be perceived as a verdict of the Iraqi courts, but the will of the US government.

What a mess Shrub has created.

[paradox_error]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 8:40pm

I am blessed to live in a country that abolished several decades ago. People think that the death penalty works as a deterrent for severe crime, yet it clearly is not the case. The state of New South Wales, Australia, with roughly half the population of New York State has approximately 2% of the amount of homicides as New York State annually. Yet no death penalty here...
In fact, the entire Australian prison population is only 22,000. To obtain a prison population proportional to the US, we would have to increase prisons to be able to hold 190,000 people.
There are more African American women in custody in the US than there are entire prison populations in any European Country.

I really think the death penalty is not deterring anything...

However, in regards to Saddam, the thing that disgusts me the most is that the Australian Government refuses to criticise his punishment. As an anti-death-penalty country, it is our job to oppose ALL FORMS of capital punishment, even when it is someone like Saddam.

I don't understand how any civilised country can allow state-sanctioned murder. Sure, this case is all in "Iraq", but we can all see the puppet strings...

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 8:45pm

Slightlyt O/T, but the US Prison population is misleading when compared to some other countries because of the mandatory drug sentencing laws that came into effect in the 1980's and have steadily increased since then. First time offenders under some federal guidelines can get thrown in prison for significant periods of time, with very little leeway for judges to provide exceptions.

So, if there were alternatives for non-violent offenders, our prison population numbers would be substantially lower. (As would the costs of incarceration).

[paradox_error]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 9:14pm

I see your point, but the US prison population is what it is. And it proportionally exceeds the prison populations of most other developed countries by around 800%. Misleading is a misleading word...

[amasis]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 9:24pm

I also think that their death sentence should be in the same manner of how they have killed (i.e Susan Smith should drown just like how she drowned her 2 children, etc.).

That is insane. Think for a second about what you're saying. Who do you think should carry out your prescribed punishments? What kind of effect do you think doing *that* would have on the person's mental state?

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 9:53pm

he is getting exactly what he deserves...and touchme, if you truly think you are Hussein, but for the grace of God, then truly you need to seek therapy (no offense intended).

He had his own people murdered, he gassed civilians. This is all documented fact. If you really think you could also do that, please get help. That is not normal or appropriate behavior.

Updated On: 12/26/06 at 09:53 PM

[jimnysf]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 10:31pm

How many pro-death penalty people claim to be pro-life?

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 10:58pm

You could also reverse the question posed above

[TAFKASP]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 11:06pm

huh?
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wouldn't it be the same thing, roxy?



I didn't get that touchmeinthemorning thought he was anyone except himself. it's a phrase. so elphaba, murdering is a crime punishable by death except when it's state sanctioned?

Updated On: 12/26/06 at 11:06 PM

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 11:57pm

his exact words are..."I am Hussein but for the grace of G-d."

if he truly believes that, then he needs help. AGAIN......it is not normal to gas people, or have them murdered. It is also not normal to think you are a step away from that, as if you actually do believe that you probably need help.

Don't get me wrong, I have always liked touchme, and his saying what is above truly shocks me, as I do not believe that "but for the grace of God" we are Hussein. A madman would be, an insane person would be, but the majority of us, no.

Putting SH in jail only means that the taxpayers of Iraq, ie the relatives and loved ones OF WHO HE HAD MURDERED pay for the joy of having him there through their taxes. That is not right or just.

He had thousands of people put to death. He deserves to die, and he must die.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 12:24am

Elphaba, I've always liked you, too.

With that sentiment stated...
Mother Teresa started her ministry when she was riding a traing one day and got to thinking about Hitler. When she realized that a few choices made different, and she could be Hitler, she realized she had to begin the ministry we all know today. "But for the grace of G-d" is her phrase.

It gets down to the level of what Jesus talked about when he talked about sin. Breaking one "law" is breaking them all. If we have thought ill, we have murdered, according to Jesus. And I have thought ill.

Again, I side with Mother Teresa and Jesus on this moral issue. I'll let you decide what moral leaders you wish to side with. I just don't think retribution and is a good moral leader.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 12:25am

The "taxpayers of Iraq?" Are you even listening to yourself? You do understand that this most recent US escapade has broken the government of Iraq, right?

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 2:09am

I am still waiting for Saddam to get out the shower one fined morning and let us all in on a little secret: It was a dream.. Sue Ellen and JR Cooked it up to helped generated that oil money they sol love and adore, who knew it would come to this.

Well, I guess that must be the law of unintended consequences, or something like that.

[MatthewAddison]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 5:22am

So I guess...

29 Days and Counting Until SADDAMAFEST!

Gather round boys and girls and watch a human being hang! Popcorn and refreshments served in the lobby! Get your very own miniature 'Hanging Saddam' with 10 different zany sayings!

[TAFKASP]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:13pm

James Wolcott's Blog
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Hang 'Em High Halkin
This morning the New York Sun, like the Wall Street Journal, debuted its new slenderized look, shaving precious inches from its broadsheet width. Yet even in its new, trim, with-it format, the paper found room to house one of the most dumbfoundingly stupid and callous columns ever writ by somebody presumably capable of dressing himself unassisted. The columnist is Hillel Halkin, a contributing editor to the Sun, and what he contributes is sadism seasoned with avuncular piety.

Over the weekend Halkin watched Saddam Hussein meet his death with composure and a measure of dignity. "One would have preferred him not to have. He should have, for our sakes, whimpered and quaked." Presumably like the cowardly sobbing breakdown Jimmy Cagney faked on his way to the chair in Angels with Dirty Faces, a performance that made Pat O'Brien's priest proud of his boyhood chum.

Now I would imagine that most people who watched the cellphone footage of Hussein's final minutes found it to be a thuggish travesty. Not Hang 'em High Halkin. He found Hussein's execution overly sedate.

Perhaps we look at the issue of capital punishment the wrong way. We're far too civilized about it. If we argue for it in some cases, we support its being a dispassionate procedure carried out by the state, like handing out a traffic ticket. Emotions, we say, should have nothing to do with it, especially not the desire for revenge.

But what, really, is wrong with the desire for revenge? What is more natural? What can better bring some peace or closure to the hearts of the next of kin? What was wrong with killing Saddam so that they should have it?

Actually, they should have been allowed to kill him themselves.

I've often thought that capital punishment should be permitted, under certain circumstances, on one condition: that it be approved of and carried out by the families of the murder victim. Let them be the ones, not only to decide, but also to implement the decision. If they want to kill the murderer, let them do so. If they haven't the desire or the stomach for it, let him live.

What, throw Saddam to a mob of howling Iraqis and have them tear him apart?

Yes, why not? It's impractical, I know, but it would have made a far more satisfying spectacle than the one we were shown on TV. And oddly, had it happened that way, the twinge of pity for the man wouldn't have been there. We would have identified not with him but with the wrath of his executioners.

What a ghoul. Impracticality is the least of it. Is this why American soldiers are dying in Iraq, to supervise vigilantism and satisfy Halkin's zest for "satisfying spectacle"? He should just rent Saw or Hostel or Apocalypto (when it's available) if he feels that deprived. "The worst part about executions is that they are performed without wrath, like slaughtering a cow," laments Halkin, who apparently longs for the good old days of barbarism. Well, those good old days are here again in Iraq. Barely a day passes without dead bodies found strewn in the streets of Baghdad bearing bulletholes to their heads and signs of torture (burn marks, mutilated limbs, holes from electric drills) preceding their extinction. Presumably these freelance executions were carried out with the wrathful zeal and hearty gusto Halkin found so lacking in Hussein's denouement. I'm sure if he tours the internet long enough he'll chance upon some execution videos more to his liking.

January 2, 2007, 6:19 PM

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 10:13 PM

[Sylar2]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:15am

Too bad we can't carry out this execution on our own leader. Given enough time, Bush will probably be responsible for just as many deaths and injustices against his own people.

But my real question is when is the musical coming?