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#51

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~FloweryFriend~'s 02:33:25 AM post absolutely boggles the mind. To actually claim to be undecided and then to mention her very strong feelings against Edwards before the debate began seems disingenuous at best. Then to decide that Edwards is evil while not even seeming to care about the incredible evil that Cheney and his company, (by the way, the current VP is still renumerated by Halliburton, which is illegal) continue to commit just seems willfully ignorant.

I thought it was nice that Edwards replied to the loophole question of Cheney's, which is way more than Cheney did about the incredibly egregious behavior of Halliburton. Every time somebody blows up an oil pipeline over there Halliburton makes millions patching it back up. You noticed that Cheney absolutely didn't even acknowledge the FACT that Halliburton set up an off-shore subsidiary so as to make profits in Iran while the US was engaging in sanctions against that country. You know, the country continuing to develop nuclear weapons.
He just shrugged it off.

Why should he care, he doesn't really care about politics, he cares about profits.

It's exactly that paternalistic "Because I said so, that's why," attitude of Cheney and Bush's that is so offensive. I want politicians who will engage with issues and their constituencies, the people they serve. It means actually FACING the contradictions and talking about them, not just changing the subject. Obviously, Cheney is going to continue to lie and tell people he never said there was a definitive connection between Al Quaida and Hussein even though he actually DID say exactly that on Meet the Press a year ago. But he said he didn't say it and it reminds me for all the world of Michael Jackson saying "I only had two surgeries on my nose to make me sing better." A total "Because I said so, that's why" response.

He's a creepy Darth Vader-like creature. I don't want him to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, such as his heart is. As for Edwards not being experienced enough to step into the office, I shall invoke the line that all my Republican friends used variations on for the first few months after the election was stolen and Bush became president in a coup de court: "It doesn't matter if he is inexperienced, what matters is who he surrounds himself with." I trust the people a President Edwards would surround himself with way more than the very frightening cabal around the current administration.



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Updated On: 10/6/04 at 01:57 PM

#52

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Namo;
Read your tag at the bottom and for a second you scared the **** out of me.
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#53

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Hey Namo, What ever happend to this avatar? I liked it.

#54

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Dame, I borrowed the line from "Boondocks."
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#55

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Cheney's best moment: needling Edwards on the no-show to vote.

I disagree. Cheney and Edwards have met before and the pictures are now out there to prove otherwise. If anything his comment hurt him by making him him seem more old and forgetful. Like I said last night, wait a couple of days and you'll see Edwards won. Cheney's supposed two strong points in the debate have already been proven wrong in less than 24 hours.

Updated On: 10/6/04 at 03:31 PM

#56

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I just can't stop thinking, if the situation actually occured that one of these men had to step in and be president of the United States, I would feel much safer in Cheney's hands.
#57

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I'd feel much safer in Australia
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#58

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Namo -
Thank you for piping up. It appears that I may have been unclear in my earlier post.

1. I claim to be an undecided because I am one. I have no idea which way I will be casting my vote in November. I don't like either of the Presidential or Vice Presidential candidates. Namo, it is entirely possible that you yourself could run the government better than any of the four men debating this week. If you had asked me who I would be voting for a few months ago, before Edwards was named as the VP candidate, I probably would have said Kerry. The addition of Edwards to the ticket complicated my decision, and I have been paying a great deal of attention to the race since then, as I want to make the best decision possible.

2. Yes, I turned on the debate with preconceptions about Edwards. But do not forget that I also had preconceptions about Cheney. I have been convinced for the last 4 years (this includes the debates of the last election) that Cheney is a deceptive puppetmaster with ulterior motives behind every action. Before the debate, if I were given a shotgun and a chance, I can't say that I wouldn't have taken action against Dick Cheney. That's how strong my hatred for him truly was. All in all, I'd say that even though he might have had a slightly better stance in my mind at the beginning of the debate, he and Edwards both appeared to be satanic, and I would not have felt comfortable saying that I would prefer one over the other.

After watching the debate, I no longer hate Cheney with the same gusto that I did previously. My problems with Edwards increased. So although you feel that calling myself an undecided while having strong negative feelings about Edwards seems "disingenuous at best", I feel that I am justified in my stance.

3. I did not say that I do not still think Cheney is evil. Although I do like and respect his political ideas more now than I did pre-debate, I am not being "willfully ignorant" of the abomination known as Halliburton. I do, however, think that Cheney is by far more competent than his running mate. I also now have less problems with him than I have with Edwards. And he appears to have a definite sense of what should be done with this country - something that Kerry was not able to articulate in the last debate. Therefore, although Cheney has done things that I do not agree with, I would still rather hear him talk about these issues than the other three men involved in the race.


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Updated On: 10/6/04 at 08:11 PM

#59

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people want to criticize about halliburton "making billions" for their job in iraq AND about bush not growing jobs. do you want the pres to increase jobs or not?
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#60

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"If you're a Republican - Cheney won.
If you're a Democrat - Edwards won."

This could not hold more truth. That is exactly what it is. If a person wants Bush to win, they're going to go out of their way to prove that Cheney won. If one is sick of Bush and wants to see him go, they are going to go out of their way to prove that Edwards once.

Personally, I keep my position quiet.

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#62

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Isn't it too damn early for that, surely?
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#64

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Wow. Good to know.
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#65

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Beans, those billions in profit aren't going towards creating a whole lot of new jobs. I imagine they're going towards the offshore bank accounts of high-level executives and the foreign "subsidiaries" of the company. Hooray for tax loopholes! I know Cheney's cheering 'em.

And Flowery, it's always harder to hate someone you watch speaking. It makes them more human. So don't hate them; hate what they do. They certainly hate many of the posters on this board regardless of their political affiliations.
#66

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is it just me who's now got "hooray for tax loopholes" running through his head to the tune of "hooray for hollywood?"

nobody? just me? ok...nevermind.
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#67

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so tell me this, plum.... kerry wants to pass legislation to require american businesses to stay in the u.s., not go overseas
(something I'd like to see). well, what about teresa, who has few factories in the u.s., and many overseas? is this going to affect her, or will there be a special exception?

i want to vote for kerry. i really do. i want change in this country as well as security. but i'm not sure i can bring myself to vote for him yet. he really is dualistic and the above and other things bother me about the guy.
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#68

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I'm too tired to read through all this so I'm just going to say that I thought they both came off looking like douchebags. I wasn't pleased at all.
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#69

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I agree. For Edwards' reputation as a famous trial lawyer, he didn't seem very effective to me. Cheney just scares me.

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