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#1

Syrian Kurdish Exodus

According to numerous news reports, Tens of thousands of Kurds from Syria have fled to Iraq's northern Kurdish region.

I'm no expert on the Middle East but to me this doesn't bode well for the region. I do recall the Iraqi Kurdish rebels recently vowing to defend Syrian Kurds from their oppressors. As I understand it, Russia is allied with Syria's ruling class while the US is allied with Iraqi's Kurdish rebels. Hopefully I'm not oversimplifying the line-up.

Does anyone have any detailed insight into the goings-on over there?
Syrian Kurds Flee War to Neighboring Iraq
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#2

Syrian Kurdish Exodus

Does anyone have any detailed insight into the goings-on over there?

Unfortunately, the sad truth is that no one does.
#6

Syrian Kurdish Exodus

Sadly, more people are worried about Ben Affleck getting cast as Batman than they are about this.
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#7

Syrian Kurdish Exodus

I can't look at those pictures. I understand that's part of the problem but I just. cannot. look.
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#8

syrian kurdish exodus

pj, you have absolutely no proof that assad gassed those people.

let's not pretend that anyone in this fight has clean hands.

if they thought it would get the the international community to intervene on their side, the rebels would martyr 10,000. and that's how they would see them as souls sent to allah; sacrificed just as surely as the children to whom they strap semtex.

why are we so reticent now to give the u.n. weapons inspectors time to work?

if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would suggest that the weapons and rockets used in this attack were taken from the libyan embassy compound. but i'm not a conspiracy theorist.

besides, if any of the assads gassed anybody, it was bashar's brother maher.
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Updated On: 8/26/13 at 09:55 PM

#9

syrian kurdish exodus


Speaking of no one having clean hands....
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
#10

syrian kurdish exodus

I don't know anything about this but I don't trust those Kurds. Noone likes them- you always hear about Kurds being bombed or chased or tossed out. And what is with that name? Who wants to be a Kurd? Change that name and you're most of the way home
#11

syrian kurdish exodus

And the usual GOP suspects have started with their saber-rattling.

Please note the source, Papa. I sense that military action is inevitable but it won't be the quick strike that some envision. Damned if we do; damned if we don't.


Republicans implore Obama: Get off the sidelines on Syria issue
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Updated On: 8/26/13 at 10:27 PM

#12

syrian kurdish exodus

if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would suggest that the weapons and rockets used in this attack were taken from the libyan embassy compound. but i'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Assad didn't need chemical weapons from Libya. He's always had a big collection of them.

Using chemical weapons is a win-win for Assad: He kills a few hundred children, it terrifies the population, they stop supporting the opposition, he cracks down on the opposition, and his 3-year-long civil war is over.

He knows that Obama has zero good options, other than moving some warships around and maybe lobbing over a few bombs: If the US does anything, the Arab world will hate it for butting in. If the US does nothing, the Arab world will hate it for allowing the slaughter. If we invade, we are in for another 10-year-long no-win war.

But this gas was his, not the rebels. The rebels would just slit throats.
#14

syrian kurdish exodus

"There's a British writer named Usman Butt who seems to have his finger on the pulse of this conflict"

I'm sorry. I really had to stop, and try and breathe after reading this sentence. I had a really crappy day, and this sentence made up for all of it.
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#15

syrian kurdish exodus

This is really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for us. With the sequestor and government spending to it's own citizens being curtailed, two wars we are still engaged in are we not stretching ourselves too thin?
I agree though, we can't do nothing. The use of chemical weapons is a travesty against humanity.
Those pictures are horrendous!
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#16

syrian kurdish exodus

using the gas with the entire world watching stupid. say what you want about bashar, he's not stupid. all it does is bring international intervention in some form. that's guaranteed.

pj, you act like there are no stores of these weapons available for the rebels to access and that's just patently untrue.

i would not put it past his insane brother - who's pissed off he's not in charge - to do something like this, but i still don't rule out the rebels having killed their own.

why can't we wait to see what the un inspectors find? Aalso, why has no one looked into who was shooting at them and lobbing mortor shells at their hotel? if bashar wanted them dead he would not have let them in. someone else is trying to keep them from doing their job.

who takes over if assad's deposed anyway? a similar bunch to those who took over in egypt and got tossed?

the gop is breathtaking bereft of any thought on pretty much any subject and as such should not be taken seriously. sen. "bomb bomb iran" mccain is probably utterly delusional at this point and doesn't even know where he is. the rest are morons as well and have nothing to add to the discussion.

obama hemmed himself in with his own words and now has to deliver something - right or wrong - or look like an international joke.

all we can really do is missile strikes, like during the clinton administration. they will be ineffective at anything more than "sending a message." then we arm the rebels with weapons that will inevitably be turned against us.
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#17

syrian kurdish exodus

who takes over if assad's deposed anyway? a similar bunch to those who took over in egypt and got tossed?

No, a worse bunch of Islamists will take over.

And there isn't a strong enough military in Syria to force them down the Islamists get too repressive, and there isn't as organized a population to demand that the Islamists step down.

So Syria has zero good options, and Obama has zero good options. But if Assad didn't order that gas, I'll eat my hat.

why can't we wait to see what the un inspectors find?

(Does anyone still eat...a hat?)
#18

syrian kurdish exodus

once upon a time, when i was working in community theatre, i designed a set that the staff of the theatre hated, but the director and i loved. i was mercilessly ridiculed over it and the head of the board told me, "if this set does not get savaged in the press i will eat my hat."

when the show opened to rave reviews and unanimous praise for my set he came up to me in the middle of the theatre, took off his hat and started gnawing on it.

i categorically do not believe he ordered it. his brother on the other hand is a possibility. think col. nathan jessup, "you want me lobbing gas at thise islamists. you need me lobbing gas at those islamists."

let's remember our own secretary of state's words on bashar from 2011 (the same john f. kerry who now calls for military strikes and claims that he is sure of things):

"well, i personally believe that -- i mean, this is my belief, okay? but president assad has been very generous with me in terms of the discussions we have had. and when i last went to -- the last several trips to ayria -- i asked president assad to do certain things to build the relationship with the united states and sort of show the good faith that would help us to move the process forward...so my judgment is that syria will move; syria will change, as it embraces a legitimate relationship with the united states and the west and economic opportunity that comes with it and the participation that comes with it.”
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

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he was the gimmicky sort

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#19

syrian kurdish exodus

~ as much as i hate war, i'm afraid that the reality of this situation is too horrific for the united states to just sit idly by and not do anything.

~ it would most definitely send a message to the world that we are weak if we don't take some sort of action against assad.

~ i couldn't watch or see the rest of those pictures. to see people die especially those young children, all murdered...so young...not given a chance to live...

~ it saddens me and it angers me...

~ i thought working in an emergency room for 12 years had hardened me to a lot of things...but seeing the rows and rows of lifeless children...

~ something needs to be done...
#20

syrian kurdish exodus

If youre going to talk tough like The Prez rightfully did, you must be prepared to act if the proof is there. Hopefully he has someone better then Colin "there are WMDs, oh wait there arent" Powell advising him. if he doesnt he will look like the biggest joke in the world.


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Updated On: 8/27/13 at 09:33 AM

#21

syrian kurdish exodus

yeah, it might be crazy pants, but: http://shoebat.com/2013/08/27/evidence-syrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#22

syrian kurdish exodus

~ yeah, this whole situation is crazy...
#23

syrian kurdish exodus

I'm not convinced Asad ordered the strike either.

I've even heard that Hezbollah ordered the strike to shore up support from their own citizens as Lebanon is slowly inching toward civil war too.

But you know, what? It doesn't matter. Both sides of this civil war are equally horrible.

The fact that hundreds of children were the target for slaughter is beyond words.

Should we act? Only if we can strategically remove a cache of chemical weapons. That's it. Any other action over there has exactly zero chance of success and 100% of disaster.
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#24

syrian kurdish exodus

And yet, in my opinion, Assad's behavior is indicative of some kind of involvement. Perhaps it's just his narcism but have you read his reaction and comments to the Russian publications regarding this accusation? He's more obsessed with challenging America, and its allies, than denying his involvement with chemical warfare. Maybe it's nothing, or maybe it's something.

Also, Papa, I completely agree with you. I wish we could let the UN Inspectors just do their job and try to find whatever it is they need to find before we all jump on the intervention bandwagon. Unfortunately, it has become very difficult for the Inspectors to do that. On the first day, snipers of either side kept the Inspectors at bay with warning shots. On the second day, they increased security and decided to cancel the day of inspections due to an uncleared security threat.

How the hell will we ever find out what's going on in Syria if no one lets us? It's ridiculous.
#25

syrian kurdish exodus

I think we should let the President decide what to do.
After all he won the Nobel Peace Prize for gosh sakes.

So if he goes to war, we shouldnt second guess him
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