TENOR TIME!- Page 2

[gumbo2]

Posted: 12/8/06 at 9:29pm

So are lyric voices more like an opera sound, or vice versa, or can you not really classify it like that?

[ClumsyDude15]

Posted: 12/12/06 at 1:15pm

tenors= awesome.

I'm a tenor and my dream roles are Boq in Wicked, Max in The Producers, Charlie Brown in YAGMCB or Mark in Rent

[Kgshrauder]

Posted: 12/14/06 at 6:58pm

Tenor 1 here...high B consistantly, high C on good days....

[IAMmyownMUSICAL]

Posted: 12/23/06 at 11:39pm

I think its interesting how all the tenors want to play parts that are not written specifically as Tenor. Most of these dream roles are baritone or second tenor at best.

[nate2]

Posted: 12/24/06 at 12:00am

I agree. There's a tenor 1 in my high school who always gets the leads and he wants to play Fred in Kiss me Kate lol. So i guess he can keep dreaming!

[So what...I sing]

Posted: 12/25/06 at 2:07am

Baritone here with a solid High C belting...meaning I could play Fred in Kiss me Kate or Phantom, but I can also play your Jean Valjean and your Jesus Christ in Superstar.

I started as a Baritone when I was younger ... so I've got a silky bass quality and I worked on my range for the past 6 years and I'm singing Tenor 1 most everywhere I go now. I'd post a video to prove it but they'd delete my post ... If you go to the evil site you can search Ain't Misbehavin in Saginaw and watch.

[ThankstoPhantom]

Posted: 12/25/06 at 10:57pm

I do not know my official notes, but I do know that I hit between E's and F's. It changes based upon my voice (I'm 16, so it's settled down somewhat by now). My range is between 2 1/2 to 3 octaves (again, depending, but I am sure it's 3 octaves now). My lower register is pretty strong as well, interestingly.

Ultimate dream roles: The Phantom of the Opera and Walter in The Woman in White, and anything in the future that may challenge me vocally and artistically.

[I'mseeingbraille57]

Posted: 12/25/06 at 11:33pm

My vocal coach says I'm a tenor, but my top notes are extremely weak, he told me I was simply a lyric tenor that didn't know how to sing high. So my passagio is at an e/f above middle c, but I can belt up to A flat on a good day, then in my head voice the highest note I've hit was the C sharp above Middle C, but it wasn't sustained and that's head voice not my false, in my false I can hit soprano high c and above. So I'm working on developing on my higher register, but as for now I'm performably a baritone with an extension. Does that sound right, or am I just getting my hopes up?

Oh, and I just got cast as Mr. Brooks in Little Women the Musical, so that's gonna be a lot of fun, he goes to the f or g above middle c so I'll get to be a bit belty in that duet.

Also, when most people refer to chest and falsetto in guys, does the head voice count in chest or in false?

[gumbo2]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 5:15am

I've never fully understood the difference between "head voice" and "falsetto"...but at the times when my voice teacher has told me that what I am singing in is head voice, it just feels like falsetto to me.

[ThankstoPhantom]

Posted: 12/26/06 at 10:18am

Head voice is when your singing placement is in your head (facial bones, et cetera). The notes you sing up there are the highest notes you can sing naturally. Falsetto is when you are singing notes that are not natural to your voice.

Updated On: 12/26/06 at 10:18 AM

[IAMmyownMUSICAL]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 6:09am

ACTUALLY:

Men DO NOT HAVE A HEAD VOICE. We have a falsetto.

Women are the only ones with a head voice.

[ThankstoPhantom]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 8:22am

Everyone has a head voice. How high you can go naturally depends on the length of your cords.

ETA:

The male head voice is similar in sound to the falsetto, BUT, it differentiated because it is more accessibly linked to the chest voice, and is stronger...more "natural."

If we only had a chest voice, where on earth would our range be from? Not everyone's falsetto is CRAZY STRONG...Many a man's falsetto hits a few notes to fill in the empty top spaces of their range.

Updated On: 12/27/06 at 08:22 AM

[Jesus]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 1:36pm

"ACTUALLY:

Men DO NOT HAVE A HEAD VOICE. We have a falsetto.

Women are the only ones with a head voice."

That's a tremendously ignorant statement. Men most certainly do have a head voice, and it is, in most cases, far stronger, and more interesting than that of a female. A naturally gifted, or very well trained male singer can use his head voice to extend his range well beyond the normal confines of chest voice. And the beauty of the males head voice is it's potential for tonal consistency with the chest voice. With the right training, or sometimes just with plain luck, a males head voice can sound, to a listener, exactly like chest voice. The only real difference is the resonance for the singer. The male headvoice is basically what makes a tenor a tenor. Singing, A's B's C's and D's in full chest just isn't biologically feasible. All these notes are sung in either a mix, full headvoice, or they're covered.

[Broadway_Bound_Star]

Posted: 12/27/06 at 6:01pm

Umm.. i have a range if I REALLY warm up of A2 to about C4

Yeah... I wish I could sing higher.

[triplethreat101]

Posted: 12/28/06 at 4:26pm

im a tenor, dont know my range tho.....i can sing really high and sing baritone stuff.

Dream Roles: Jimmy in Millie, Jack Into the Woods, Anthony Sweeney Todd, Marius Les Miserables

[BroomstickBoy]

Posted: 1/27/07 at 2:11am

Question, is the term "bari-tenor" an actual classification or is it just something tenors throw around when they also sing baritone parts?

[catstagestud]

Posted: 1/29/07 at 12:53am

Broomstick- I don't think that its a technical term but I could be wrong. I like to classify myself as a Lyric Baritone. My range is from G2-A4 Bb4 or B4 on a good day. My head voice is strong from G4-B4 and my falsetto is B4-F#5.

Dreamroles- hhhhmmm....I already got to play John in John and Jen so that would mean, Mother's Younger Brother, Princeton/Rod, Mark in Rent, Radames, and Fabrizio in LITP.

Cheers,

Christopher

[Chrismas42]

Posted: 1/30/07 at 2:17pm

ok.. I get what you're saying but do you really consider a man's "head voice" as a different voice... or a technique.
WHen I think of a mix, I don't think of it as a different voice, it's still the same vocal chords producing the sound.
I'm a specialist in women's mixes but I still think it relates to men, the fact that a mix is kinda like a singing technique that can be learned and needs to be practiced, just like correct breathing and belting.

As for men's voices... I think we technically only have 2, your speaking voice, and then your falsetto.

Basically, I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider "head voice" a different voice, I'd consider it a technique...
Oh, and thanks for having a valid point, it was a nice change of pace... LOL

[John3]

Posted: 1/30/07 at 3:35pm

Head voice is a covered/mixed sound which technically is called voce piena in testa (full voice in the head)

I don't remember who was asking if he was gonna possibly be a tenor, but the normal passagio for a tenor is from the E/F to the Gish and tenor (male) voices take a while to develop. It also depends on you. Everyone's voice is different and matures at different times. But you will rarely hear an amazing Bass at 18, sometimes you will hear a great tenor but they are nowhere ready to sing at the MET. The classification of being a Tenor is based all upon the timbre of your voice.

Hope that helps.

[gumbo2]

Posted: 1/30/07 at 3:43pm

Wow, I find all this stuff so interesting, thanks for all these insights...So, for example's sake, would you say that Gavin Creel has a phenominal mix? His voice in particular confuses/amazes me.

[Dibbledl01]

Posted: 1/30/07 at 3:49pm

I'm a girl and a lyric soprano but I just wanted to chime in and say I love tenors to death! :woot woot: <3 <3 <3

[John3]

Posted: 1/30/07 at 7:04pm

Gavin Creel's voice is definitely not chest voice. In my opinion it is a very good mixed sound, the passages between voices is very smooth.

[Jesus]

Posted: 1/31/07 at 1:05am

Creel's voice sounds to me to be almost completly mix and head. It works for him.

To the poster who says they consider headvoice a technique...you're wrong from both a male and female perspective. Headvoice is a voice unto itself from the singers perspective (singers classify voices according to resonance). Chest voice resonates in the chest, mix resonates half in the chest and half in the head, and headvoice resonates completly in the head. One doesn't need any technique to access headvoice. Some people naturally have the co-ordination of the folds to maintain closure throughout their passagio, thus natually having a strong, well connected headvoice. Most people at some point or another access and use their headvoice, they just don't know it, and it isn't connected through the passagio (bridges). The idea of technique to access the headvoice is mainly an effort to enforce recognition of the headvoice through sense memory, to encourage use, to connect the headvoice to the chest by maintaining chord closure, and to relieve tenison so that the sound can fully resonate and grow. Of course it's also about developing control and balance. But headvoice is most certainly a voice unto itself (from the singers perspective.)

As for bridge placement. Most people assume that the higher your first bridge lay the higher your range. However, in my experience the opposite is actually true. Most tenors I know bridge at an E or F or somewhere in there. Myself, and a few of my friends hit our first bridge at the D. My range extends well beyond G5, though its not entirely worked out up there yet. However my good friend who also bridges at the D has the most beautiful, rich, resonate voice all the way up past the G5 probably to C6, though I've never asked. His voice has the depth and weight of full on chest voice all the way up his range, its really something to hear. He sings several whole tones higher than most men, but bridges a whole tone beneath them. Bridge placement means very little, its personal to everyone.

[Chrismas42]

Posted: 1/31/07 at 1:56pm

Good Point!!!!

and I COMPLETELY agree with your Bridge theory.
My bridge is right about C4/D4 yet my full range extends up to around C5, while my friends bridge around E and F yet one goes up to C5 and the other can get to D#5...
The one thing I have noticed though, is that both of us who are up to C5 are wayyyyy more dramatic tenor than the D# who is definitly a lyric... Updated On: 1/31/07 at 01:56 PM

[gumbo2]

Posted: 1/31/07 at 2:44pm

Thank you, Jesus (hehehe). Unfortunately I'm not blessed with a perfectly smooth transition past my passagio. Just wondering, when you say you "bridge at a D" or something, is that just when you feel most comfortable switching? Or can you really just not hit any other notes in chest voice? Because in complete chest voice I can hit a G or A but I'm more comfortable switching around an E.