Taco Bell joins Europe's Horse Meat Parade... — Page 2

This is an age old topic, Bethnor, which usually leads to a heated argument! I'm not here to argue, but to ask the question - how do we really know whether humans are meant to eat meat or not. Who decided?

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Bethnor, I disagree with almost everything you've written but this:

"the reality is, civilization should move towards vegetarianism."

I'll start with the fact that I was a vegan for two years, a vegetarian for five, and now I eat meat once or twice a month, sometimes oftener with fish.

I don't know what to make of your assertion that we have but recently learned of our kinship with mammals. We've known of it since we've known what mammals were. Not sure what difference that makes.

"probably religious prohibitions against eating pork is a derivation of prohibitions against cannibalism. you will notice that many firefighters won't eat roast pork,"

No, it was because of the diseases that were rampant amongst pig that are easier to guard against now. Your anecdotal evidence that firefighters don't tend to eat pork does not match mine at all. I know a LOT of firefighters, and one of the first things that goes on a bbq list is pork ribs.

I agree that most commercial animal farming businesses are inhumane, though people like Temple Grandin have worked to make it a little better. I personally think that anyone that eats meat should not only visit these companies, but should also be capable of killing and preparing their own meat.

" we are the prisoners of history, sadly, and were raised on meat."

Actually, we're prisoners of biology. We are not vegetarians, we are omnivores. We need some meat to remain healthy (yes, it is possible to stay healthy on a vegan or vegetarian diet, but it takes a lot of work and planning, and it is NOT natural).

All that said, we eat FAR too much meat, and it's hurting not only our health, but the health of our planet as well.

Updated On: 3/2/13 at 04:54 PM

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thanks for posting that picture Diva - now I won't rest until I have some of that!

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I was waiting for lunch today and overheard this at Posh Bagel:

Woman: I need a salad that doesn't have eggs or any cheese.
Cashier: (indistinguishable)
Woman: I'm vegan, so that's a problem.

I wanted to tell the woman that her being a vegan was the problem. It's that attitude I have with vegans that make me want to slap them. Veganism is a choice, and eating establishments shouldn't be forced to cater.

Funny thing is, this place is a bagel place. Bagels, by definition, aren't vegan, so she needs to go somewhere else.

My roommate is vegan except she's cool about it. She'll sometimes share her food with me and it's always good. She uses a lot of tofu but also portobello mushrooms, which are pretty meaty in their own right.

I keep telling her I'd be vegan if I could still eat chicken.

I get that but the woman didn't say that first. The cashier didn't know this customer was vegan. What irked me is that the customer made it sound like the cashier was wrong for even suggesting that this "poor customer" eat meat or diary. I wish I knew what the woman said, but I didn't catch it.

After being a server, I understand people have allergies but I can't read minds so if you don't ask questions or you don't tell me something, I can't fix it. And don't even get me started on those gluten free people. For the most part, diets are a choice.

I'm reminded of a buzzfeed thing about the Kosher diet and this woman went on and on, whining, about how hard it is to be Kosher. She could always say no and eat that lasagna.

"I understand people have allergies but I can't read minds so if you don't ask questions or you don't tell me something, I can't fix it. And don't even get me started on those gluten free people. For the most part, diets are a choice. "

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, but as a server have you really had a lot of people allergic to things and have them tell you about it only after the fact? That sounds very odd.

As to the vegan incident you sort of overheard, I'll say this: salads are usually made with greens. Often other things, usually other vegetables, but not usually eggs or cheese. I certainly wouldn't expect cheese or eggs in a salad unless I ordered them.

"And don't even get me started on those gluten free people. For the most part, diets are a choice. "

You think being gluten-free is fun? It's a huge pain in the ass, and makes it very difficult to dine out. I've been cook for people who are required for health reasons to maintain a glutain-free diet and it is quite challenging to come up with variety.

Perhaps you should look a little harder into this before you make such harsh judgements. You may be fortunate that for you, your diet is a choice. For some, it can literally be life or death.

One of my friends works for the FDA and one of his jobs is to travel around the country and inspect slaughter houses and those kind of things.

He said he's not pretty. In order to eat pork, the pigs have their faced pulled off by giant spinning spike things.

You know, I don't remember if he specified.

Let's assume they're killed first.

Well, given he said "In order to eat pork, the pigs have their faced pulled off by giant spinning spike things.", I think I'll take the whole thing with a grain of salt. Despite assertations in this thread that pigs eat each other (which they can do under stress), I'd think it would be awfully damn difficult to eat anything with your face pulled off.

Can we just stick to provable facts here and not anecdotes?

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Ever wonder why that taco bell on 6th ave nevre re-opened?

Updated On: 3/2/13 at 09:21 PM

OMG, I remember seeing that!!!!