The Balance of Straight Power in Musical Theatre- Page 2
The Balance of Straight Power in Musical Theatre
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#25
Posted: 8/4/06 at 2:54pmpartly true, Papa, but the reason WHY they don't feel comfortable is politics-related. They don't feel that way from birth on, do they?
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#26
Posted: 8/4/06 at 2:59pmwho, franklin? is every straight person like that? no. so you can lay blame wherever ya want, but it comes down to each person taking responsibility for who they are and how they act.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
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i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#27
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:00pm
Devil's advocate here. Try and think about how someone would feel if the assumption was always "You are gay." Some people who are less enlightened might have a bit of a problem with that. I think we have to accept our prejudices and overcome them. It is completely understandable for a straight man not to want to be mistaken for gay. It's not a reality that I like but as long as being gay in our society is something to hide or worse, "something I wouldn't choose," than some sraights might not like the assumption.
Why don't we (gays) start by never using the "why would I choose to be gay" argument.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#28
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:02pmPersonally, I think it has little to do with politics. I'd venture that perhaps some of it is religiously motivated (although I know that's true for all cases), but political marginalization of gay people just latches on to what's already out there and twists it for its own gain. In the case of the straight men on this board (and elsewhere) clamoring to state how straight they are despite the fact that they like musical theatre, I'd say that probably has little (if any) political motivation.
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#29
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:03pmJust because they love theatre doesn't mean their homophobia is erased.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#30
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:04pmsee, i thought that's where you were going, kringas. he and i have this kinda mind meld thang.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#31
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:04pm
That's not even the issue here...I personally don't give the backside of a bedbug how a straight man feels about always being thought of as gay, or why these prejudices exist, or what we can do about them, at least not in the context of this thread.
The point I think Papa and I and others want to make is simply this:
If you are a heterosexual man, and you plan to participate in the musical theater, you had better god*damn* well be ready for people to assume you are gay. There is NOBODY ALIVE who is not aware that the theatre is the Great Bastion Of Gay Creativity. It is one of the fundamental images of our stereotype (fine by me, btw), and if you are going to be heterosexual and charge headlong into this blaze, bring your f*cking fire helmet and shut up about it.
You know what you're getting into, and nobody will believe you if you say you didn't.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#32
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:08pmWell, that's like redefining a stereotype into something pseudo-positive. Stereotypes are never positive. So I don't think that's a way to go.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#33
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:08pmWe sure do, papa. We sure do.
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#34
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:09pm
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Another explanation is the prevalence of show queens in today's audience. These prefer camp to reality, laugh so loud and long at jokes that the show's rhythm is ruptured and we can't hear the next line or two. They contribute heavily to indiscriminate standing ovations and to whooping it up as if applause were not enough.
The Drowsy Chaperone & [title of show]
Updated On: 8/4/06 at 03:09 PM
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#35
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:11pm
They contribute heavily to indiscriminate standing ovations
See, that doesn't even make any sense. My stereotype of a show queen would be to turn his nose up at indiscriminate standing ovations.
I know this show queen does.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#36
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:11pmhell, that exact same quote could be applied to parents and families at a majority of urban high school graduations.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#37
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:13pm
That's what I thought. He's blaming the queens for indiscriminate standing ovations.?!
edit: sorry, us queens.
Updated On: 8/4/06 at 03:13 PM
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#38
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:13pmOr at any theatrical event in the midwest.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#39
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:14pmexactly.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#40
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:14pm
"Well, that's like redefining a stereotype into something pseudo-positive. Stereotypes are never positive. So I don't think that's a way to go."
Why not? Stereotypes exist, they will always exist, and we are NOT going to get rid of them, so why precisely in the hot holy hell not try to work *with* them and turn them into something at least PSEDUO positive? It's a lot better than wallowing around in negativity and whining about exclusion and inequality and judgement.
God, you people make me need a drink.
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#41
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:15pmwhere are we drinkin' tonight, jaily?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Joined: 12/31/69
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#42
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:17pm
I don't know why jail. I agree. I think swishy and broadway loving and overly dramatic are fabulous traits. And we should enbrace all our brethren. Not just the sags.
edit: and me thinks you just want to start drinking early.
Updated On: 8/4/06 at 03:17 PM
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#43
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:17pm
I'd say Luxia or some dark skanky Irish bar but I have to go immediately home after work and finish packing...the movers are coming at 10am. Ugh.
Manual labor is SO not my thing.
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#44
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:20pm
"Manual labor is SO not my thing."
That's such a stereotype!!! 
Updated On: 8/4/06 at 03:20 PM
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#45
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:20pm
You do make a valid point, Jail. Yet, I don't think one can work with some stereotypes better than with others. It's like giving up the fight about an objective point of view on any issues. You can't just pick out some stereotypes you like and dismiss the others.
Well, just my humble opinion, not to offend anyone
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#46
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:21pm
oh yeah, i forgot you're doing the movers, i mean moving.
and really, i mean a community is more than just one flavor. embrace the diversity. and if you're that freaked about being around gay folks, don't go into theatre.
if on the other hand, you like the idea of being the only straight man around lots and lots of women...break out the tights!
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#47
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:21pm
Oh, honey.
I am The Gay. My mother built me from the FagATron1980 kit.
I even bake and occasionally sew my own window treatments.
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the balance of straight power in musical theatre#48
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:23pmwhat if you love theatre more than you hate being identified as gay? papa, don't be so harsh. (I know you are thinking "I'm papa, have we met?)
the balance of straight power in musical theatre#49
Posted: 8/4/06 at 3:24pm
"what if you love theatre more than you hate being identified as gay?"
Then it is only a matter of time before you get the baloney pony up the Hershey highway.
*tongue firmly in cheek*
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