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The Jews will not go quietly again


Senator John McCain's brother on The Jews & Israel.

There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now -- "Can Israel Survive?" Don't worry about it. It relates to something that Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most Americans don't realize -- the Jews are never going quietly again. Never. And if the world doesn't come to understand that, then
millions of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Throughout the history of the world, the most abused, kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just during the holocaust of World War II, but for thousands of years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a terrible and tragic sense.

The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not just a story, it is history, if festooned with theological legend and heroic epics. In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time tolerated the Jews -- even admired them as 'superior' to other vassals -- tired of their truculent demands for independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the Jewish problem. Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the implacable Roman War Machine -- see 'Masada'. And thus began the Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of the world.

Their homeland destroyed, their culture crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a hostile world where they could be safe. That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and 'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first mono-theistic people. Throughout Europe, changing times meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then malevolence. There is not a country in Europe or Western Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim, sometimes by manipulation.

Winston Churchill calls Edward I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European monarch to set up a really effective administrative bureaucracy, surveyed and censured his kingdom, established laws and political divisions. But he also embraced the Jews.

Actually Edward didn't embrace Jews so much as he embraced their money. For the English Jews had acquired wealth -- understandable, because this people that could not own land or office, could not join most of the trades and professions, soon found out that money was a very good thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins. Ever resourceful, Edward found a way -- he borrowed money from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe, especially France. The loans were almost certainly not made gladly, but how do you refuse your King? Especially when he is 'Edward the Hammer'. Then, rather than pay back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews. Edward was especially inventive -- he did this twice. After a time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland, borrowed more money, then expelled them again.

Most people do not know that Spain was one of the early entrants into The Renaissance. People from all over the world came to Spain in the late medieval period. All were welcome -- Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of learning in the world -- scholars of all nations, all fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and their ideas. But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From this 'cleansing' come the Sephardic Jews -- as opposed to the Ashkenazi's of Eastern Europe. In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality against Jews are common knowledge. 'Fiddler' without the music and the folksy hum
From these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most 'American' Americans, they came to grab the American Dream with both hands, and contributed everything from new ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment to becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers. The modern United States, in spite of itself, is The United States in part because of its Jewish blood.

Then the Nazi Holocaust -- the corralling, sorting, orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses. Not something that other realms in other times didn't try to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized and had better murder technology.

I stood in the center of Dachau for an entire day, about 15 years ago, trying to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about this Dachau. I soon became engulfed in the enormity of what had occurred there nestled in this middle and working class neighborhood.

How could human beings do this to other human beings, hear their cries, their pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the
Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman. Because even in the United States not all was a Rose Garden.

For a long time Jews had quotas in our universities and graduate schools. Only so many Jews could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes told without a wince - "Why do Jews have such big noses?"

Well, now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is theirs. And that's the point. It doesn't matter how many times the United States and European powers try to rein in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation, its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever fought to save her cubs.
They will fight with a ferocity, a determination, and a skill, that will astound us.

And many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe. If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end. As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of World War II, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal attackers, until there are not enough to torment them.

The irony goes unnoticed -- while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of September 11th here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course -- We are We, They are They. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel
has a September 11th sometimes every day.

We may not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it doesn't make any difference whether you are pro-Israeli or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If it comes to where a new holocaust looms -- with or without the concurrence of the United States and Europe -- Israel will lash out without pause or restraint at those who would try to annihilate their country.

The Jews will not go quietly again.

Updated On: 7/31/06 at 08:54 AM

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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

you need a different title as a subject. It is not worthy of the article, which is magnificent
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

Wow. Magnificent is right. Poppy, can you please provide a link to the article if you can? I would love to e-mail it to my Mom.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

You really SHOULD change the subject line to something more appropriate.

This line of his is particularly haunting.

"At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920’s Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman."

Will "Israeli rockets at Qana" be added to that list?

And will Hezbollah and Hamas ever be held accountable for their use of civilian cover? Somehow, I think not.

Throughout history, it is always easier to blame the Jews.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

It still does not make it right to target civilians no matter who is hiding in their neighborhoods. Expressions of regret after someone is dead doesn't make them undead.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

It includes both sides. However, we (the USA) are not giving our approval to those attacks. We should insist that there be an immediate cease fire as most of the rest of the world is asking for.

By the way, what happened to the 48 hour cease fire?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060731/D8J6VVGG1.html
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

It's sad when the slaughter of civilians is considered to be inspiring.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

YouWantIt...Thank you for posting the link. The article was send to me by a friend without the link. jimnycsk: The Hezbollah is still lobbing rockets into Northern Israel and as long as that continues the Israelis should bomb those areas back into the stone age. I'm sorry the innocent will die but the blame is Hezbollah. Israel doesn't hid among the women, children and elderly and do their fighting. Remember Israel didn't start this insanity.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

I guess we will agree to disagree on this topic. I don't feel it is right for civilians to be bombed on either side, no matter who started it (sounds like kids fighting in a sandbox). Each side will continue to fight and this conflict will never end. If they want to kill each other, then I guess there is no stopping them. However, I don't want my tax dollars being spent to send bombs or any other military aid to either side as long as civilians are being targeted.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: Mel Gibson Eat My Shorts!!!!

Are the Hezbollah not also killing civilians? When so many nations have s--t on Israel for so long, what would you have the Jews do? Honestly, I would really like to know what you think the best option is.
You promised me poems. ~Tricky
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re: The Jews will not go quiety again

"However, we (the USA) are not giving our approval to those attacks. We should insist that there be an immediate cease fire as most of the rest of the world is asking for."

We should let Israel do what they need to do. The U.S. is the only friend Israel has, and we haven't been a very good friend. They are fighting against crazy people who want to see them wiped off the map. Israel must stand up and show they are not going to put up with this anymore.



If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

Updated On: 7/31/06 at 12:30 PM

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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

..and the deaths of innocent civilians are OK with you? I don't care how you try and justify it, it's not right to kill civilians.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

Well, then please ask Hezbollah to stop launching missles from residential communities and using the Lebanese civilians as tools in this campaign.

There is a cause and an effect.

Is Israel not supposed to respond when the missles are fired at its people?

I do have issues and problems with some of the response by Israel, but at its core, the problem is that Israel does not target civilians, it targets Hezbollah, who then hides behind civilians.

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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

"it's not right to kill civilians."

I agree, but Israel can't just sit by and let themselves be attacked. It's unfortunate that these terrorist organizations can't play by the rules of war. One of their tactics is to hide among civilians. Sadam did stuff like that all the time. Israel was provoked and they must defend themselves.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

"..and the deaths of innocent civilians are OK with you? I don't care how you try and justify it, it's not right to kill civilians."

The politically correct term (I believe) is 'collateral damage'. Hezbollah obviously did not give a thought to the innocent civilians when it instigated this mess.

Should Israel just roll over and let themselves be annihilated?

WONDERFUL article, by the way....
"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

I hope I never get to the point where I consider the death of innocent people to be 'collateral damage".
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

Interesting Article, directly on point:

"THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah. It is one of several, smuggled from behind Lebanon's battle lines, showing that Hezbollah is waging war amid suburbia.

The images, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Herald Sun, show Hezbollah using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy-calibre weapons.

Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear, the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon.

The photographs, from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut, were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend."

And perhaps, even more importantly:

"Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets, then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets," he said.

"Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived, it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then it was totally devastated.

"It was carnage. Two innocent people died in that incident, but it was so lucky it was not more."

The release of the images comes as Hezbollah faces criticism for allegedly using innocent civilians as "human shields".

Mr Egeland blasted Hezbollah as "cowards" for operating among civilians.

"When I was in Lebanon, in the Hezbollah heartland, I said Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending in among women and children," he said.

Photos That Damn Hezbollah
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

"I don't care how you try and justify it, it's not right to kill civilians."

well then, we should not have entered WW2 then......just let Germany take over the world, and we'd be a large German "land."

Any deaths are sad Jim, but a part of war is civilian casualties, that has been since the dawn of time.

Israel has a right to exist, and to do what they need to to exist.....just like we would if attacked.

in a perfect war, there would be no war, we'd all love each other, and I'd have the entire Italian World Cup team as my boyfriends, but this is not a perfect world........Israeli civilians KNOW the risk, and they support their government so that they can continue to exist. They do NOT cut heads off and show them on TV. You really need to realize who the bad guy is here.
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

"I hope I never get to the point where I consider the death of innocent people to be 'collateral damage"."

I hope I don't either---but war isn't nice, and good people die.
"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"
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re: The Jew will not go quiety again

"Hezbollah obviously did not give a thought to the innocent civilians when it instigated this mess."

Sadly, Mags, they did. They fired from residential areas PURPOSELY, ensuring there would be civilian casualties when Israel responded.

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