#51
Posted: 7/31/06 at 4:02pm
And I hope we're all also in agreement that Bush's misbegotten mideastern policies make everything worse.
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#52
Posted: 7/31/06 at 4:03pm
Preaching to the choir, PJ
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#53
Posted: 7/31/06 at 4:04pm
"And I hope we're all also in agreement that Bush's misbegotten mideastern policies make everything worse."
I am but I wouldn't count on that being true for some of the others.
I am but I wouldn't count on that being true for some of the others.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions"
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"Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu"
from "Can't Stop The Music"
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"When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth"
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"Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#55
Posted: 7/31/06 at 4:21pm
geez, i haven't sung in a choir since high school. i don't think i'll be starting anytime soon.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
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...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Updated On: 7/31/06 at 04:21 PM
#56
Posted: 7/31/06 at 7:22pm
Jimny - looks like you got your wish:
"JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel's Security Cabinet has approved an expansion of the ground campaign against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office announced early Tuesday.
The announcement came hours after Olmert said Monday there would be no cease-fire in the coming days.
"Quite a few days of fighting are still before us," Olmert told a conference of local officials.
"We will stop the war when the [rocket] threat is removed ..., our captive soldiers return home in peace, and you are able to live in safety and security."
Israel OKs expansion of Lebanon campaign
"JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel's Security Cabinet has approved an expansion of the ground campaign against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office announced early Tuesday.
The announcement came hours after Olmert said Monday there would be no cease-fire in the coming days.
"Quite a few days of fighting are still before us," Olmert told a conference of local officials.
"We will stop the war when the [rocket] threat is removed ..., our captive soldiers return home in peace, and you are able to live in safety and security."
Israel OKs expansion of Lebanon campaign
#57
Posted: 7/31/06 at 7:49pm
If this works, Jimmy...there's a job for you at Mossad!
#58
Posted: 7/31/06 at 8:57pm
"It is a unique day when papa, PJ, Magdalene and I are all in agreement on an issue.
Perhaps it is the end of days."
Scary, isn't it? We better mark this on a calendar somewhere!
Perhaps it is the end of days."
Scary, isn't it? We better mark this on a calendar somewhere!
"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"
#59
Posted: 7/31/06 at 9:30pm
"Jimny - looks like you got your wish"
What a strange thing for you to say. My "wish" is for a cease fire and I have expressed that many times in this thread. It's hardly a "wish" of mine that this war, or any war, continue. When I said they should stop attacking from the air and send in ground troops, I was responding to the question regarding what I would suggest instead of the continued bombing of civilians with the hope that one or two Hezbollah. It was hardly a "wish" of mine.
What a strange thing for you to say. My "wish" is for a cease fire and I have expressed that many times in this thread. It's hardly a "wish" of mine that this war, or any war, continue. When I said they should stop attacking from the air and send in ground troops, I was responding to the question regarding what I would suggest instead of the continued bombing of civilians with the hope that one or two Hezbollah. It was hardly a "wish" of mine.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions"
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"Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu"
from "Can't Stop The Music"
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"When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth"
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"Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#60
"How about going in with ground forces rather than attacking from the air? More soldiers than civilians would die but as someone said, that's war. Killing hundreds of civilians from the air with the hope of also killing a few Hezbollah leaders is not the answer either."
Jimny, I know what your wish is, I just found it somewhat ironic that shortly after you posted that response, it came to pass.
Posted: 7/31/06 at 9:48pm
"How about going in with ground forces rather than attacking from the air? More soldiers than civilians would die but as someone said, that's war. Killing hundreds of civilians from the air with the hope of also killing a few Hezbollah leaders is not the answer either."
Jimny, I know what your wish is, I just found it somewhat ironic that shortly after you posted that response, it came to pass.
#61
Posted: 7/31/06 at 9:51pm
Just wanted to be sure you knew I wasn't wishing for any more war or death on any side.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions"
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"Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu"
from "Can't Stop The Music"
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"When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth"
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"Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#62
Posted: 7/31/06 at 9:58pm
Jimny, believe it or not I am also very torn about what is going on. I cry for those who have died as a result of this mess. But, if I was in charge of Israel, I am not sure what else I would do.
Hezbollah uses civilians as shields. Does Israel go after Hezbollah and in the process, kill innocents, or wait for Hezbollah to grow stronger and destroy her?
There is no right choice for Israel. They had to confront Hezbollah at some point, and they chose to do so now.
I honestly think when all is said and done, Israel and perhaps the international community will need to find a way to work together to help rebuild Lebanon.
Hezbollah uses civilians as shields. Does Israel go after Hezbollah and in the process, kill innocents, or wait for Hezbollah to grow stronger and destroy her?
There is no right choice for Israel. They had to confront Hezbollah at some point, and they chose to do so now.
I honestly think when all is said and done, Israel and perhaps the international community will need to find a way to work together to help rebuild Lebanon.
#63
Posted: 7/31/06 at 10:06pm
I get very emotional about these things, too. It keeps me up nights thinking about all the death and the suffering all around the world. There is too much of that going on in the world. I don't know what the answer is either. I only know it all makes me sick and depressed. Such waste.
I'll step down from my soap box. We will have to wait and see how this all unfolds.
I'll step down from my soap box. We will have to wait and see how this all unfolds.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions"
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"Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu"
from "Can't Stop The Music"
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"When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth"
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"Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#64
Posted: 7/31/06 at 10:24pm
Jimny - at these times, I actually think of the Star Trek episode where two men who are identical except one face is white and black, and the other is black and white, go down to their destroyed planet and with destruction all around, continue to try and destroy each other.
#65
Posted: 7/31/06 at 10:25pm
Thanks so much for posting that wonderful article.
Akiva
Akiva
#66
Posted: 7/31/06 at 11:55pm
Perhaps some good news:
Israel ready to swap 2 Lebanese prisoners for IDF soldiers:
Israel will release two Lebanese prisoners in return for the two soldiers abducted by Hezbollah, as part of a cease-fire agreement, government and defense officials said on Monday.
The sources added that the UN Security Council would call for a cease-fire in Lebanon on Friday, and it could take effect as early as Saturday.
Alternatively, the fighting might continue for a few more days.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told British Prime Minister Tony Blair that as soon as an international force deploys along the Israel-Lebanon and Lebanon-Syria borders, "it will be possible to implement a cease-fire."
Immediately after soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser were captured, Olmert said that Israel would not negotiate a prisoner exchange for their release a position he also took following the abduction of Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit in the Gaza Strip. Olmert's position received international support in the concluding statement issued by the G-8 summit, which called for the unconditional return of all Israeli captives.
However, with the fighting still ongoing, government and military sources said recently that Israel would find it difficult to insist on this position in negotiating a cease-fire.
The sources said that Israel would apparently agree to release Abu Amra Mamad, convicted of weapons possession, plus one illegal alien. It will not agree to release Palestinians. A government source added that Israel would also refuse to release Samir Kuntar, who murdered the Haran family and a police officer in Nahariya in 1979. In the last prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, the "Tennenbaum deal" of January 2004, it was agreed that Kuntar would be released only in exchange for information about missing airman Ron Arad.
Israel ready to swap 2 Lebanese prisoners for IDF soldiers
Israel ready to swap 2 Lebanese prisoners for IDF soldiers:
Israel will release two Lebanese prisoners in return for the two soldiers abducted by Hezbollah, as part of a cease-fire agreement, government and defense officials said on Monday.
The sources added that the UN Security Council would call for a cease-fire in Lebanon on Friday, and it could take effect as early as Saturday.
Alternatively, the fighting might continue for a few more days.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told British Prime Minister Tony Blair that as soon as an international force deploys along the Israel-Lebanon and Lebanon-Syria borders, "it will be possible to implement a cease-fire."
Immediately after soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser were captured, Olmert said that Israel would not negotiate a prisoner exchange for their release a position he also took following the abduction of Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit in the Gaza Strip. Olmert's position received international support in the concluding statement issued by the G-8 summit, which called for the unconditional return of all Israeli captives.
However, with the fighting still ongoing, government and military sources said recently that Israel would find it difficult to insist on this position in negotiating a cease-fire.
The sources said that Israel would apparently agree to release Abu Amra Mamad, convicted of weapons possession, plus one illegal alien. It will not agree to release Palestinians. A government source added that Israel would also refuse to release Samir Kuntar, who murdered the Haran family and a police officer in Nahariya in 1979. In the last prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, the "Tennenbaum deal" of January 2004, it was agreed that Kuntar would be released only in exchange for information about missing airman Ron Arad.
Israel ready to swap 2 Lebanese prisoners for IDF soldiers
#67
Posted: 7/31/06 at 11:58pm
I wondered what happened to the soldiers. I hadn't heard anything about them lately. Maybe this is good news or at least a start.
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions"
-------
"Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu"
from "Can't Stop The Music"
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"When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth"
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"Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
#68
Posted: 8/1/06 at 12:35pm
Which of those 2 soldiers is the 19 year old that was kidnapped first?
"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"
#69
Posted: 8/1/06 at 2:35pm
The problem is that Lebanon hasn't done a damn thing to stop Hezbollah. If there were a group functioning like that in the US or in Israel, US or Israeli authorities would be on the move to arrest them and contain them, condemn them. If Lebanon was able to control its own people and work efficiently to stop terrorists and criminals, then it wouldn't be this big of an issue would it?
Yet, the country turns a blind eye to Hezbollah and refuses to do anything about it, leaving Israel no choice but to defend themselves by retaliation. Not only are the civilians being punished by Hezbollah, but by Lebanon's government.
Yet, the country turns a blind eye to Hezbollah and refuses to do anything about it, leaving Israel no choice but to defend themselves by retaliation. Not only are the civilians being punished by Hezbollah, but by Lebanon's government.
Updated On: 8/1/06 at 02:35 PM
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