#51
Posted: 1/2/15 at 7:51pm
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 07:51 PM
The Passive-Aggressive Follies of the NYPD — Page 3
#52
Posted: 1/2/15 at 9:07pm
Updated On: 8/16/21 at 09:07 PM
#53
Posted: 1/3/15 at 1:09am
What did De Blasio say that was inflammatory?
“Because of a history that still hangs over us [and] the dangers that he (De Blasio's biracial son, Dante) may face, we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with police officers, who are there to protect him."
“There’s so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods, but are they safe from the very people they want to have faith in, as their protectors?”
"The way we go about policing has to change. It has to change in this city, it has to change in this country. People need to know that black lives and brown lives matter as much as white lives."
He is injecting race into an incident (the death of Mr. Garner) where there is no evidence of anything at all racial. The biggest threat to the young black male is not a racist cop, it is another black male.
And if you are a person of color living in NYC, and you haven't heard anything lately from the Mayor supporting your view that you are abused by the NYPD, you only need to look at the Mayor to see him choosing as a close adviser, Al Sharpton. The mayor has a meeting with the police commissioner and brings Al Sharpton into the meeting with him! The police commissioner is having to listen to Al Sharpton on what he needs to do to improve policing in minority neighborhoods in NYC. AL SHARPTON!!
“Because of a history that still hangs over us [and] the dangers that he (De Blasio's biracial son, Dante) may face, we’ve had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with police officers, who are there to protect him."
“There’s so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods, but are they safe from the very people they want to have faith in, as their protectors?”
"The way we go about policing has to change. It has to change in this city, it has to change in this country. People need to know that black lives and brown lives matter as much as white lives."
He is injecting race into an incident (the death of Mr. Garner) where there is no evidence of anything at all racial. The biggest threat to the young black male is not a racist cop, it is another black male.
And if you are a person of color living in NYC, and you haven't heard anything lately from the Mayor supporting your view that you are abused by the NYPD, you only need to look at the Mayor to see him choosing as a close adviser, Al Sharpton. The mayor has a meeting with the police commissioner and brings Al Sharpton into the meeting with him! The police commissioner is having to listen to Al Sharpton on what he needs to do to improve policing in minority neighborhoods in NYC. AL SHARPTON!!
#54
Posted: 1/3/15 at 9:02am
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 09:02 AM
#55
Posted: 1/3/15 at 9:39am
Mikey, it isn't just about Garner. There is a long history of police brutality in this city and there is a long history of racially motivated police brutality in this city. They overlap but they are not exactly one and the same.
But to act as if there isn't racial disparity in the way New Yorkers are treated by the police, or to say that acknowledging the same is inflammatory, or acknowledging the same is anti-police or makes unfair generalities about cops, or to suggest that parents of children of color shouldn't be especially concerned about how their children conduct themselves in encounters with the police is, frankly, stupid.
Joey, yes, of course it's about labor relations, 51,000 employees and a Mayor. But it has been taken to a new level with the way the PBOE has reacted to de Blasio and the way people like Giuliani have reacted to de Blasio and Obama re: recent high profile cases of police brutality. A level which is counterproductive (except, perhaps, ironically, with the police slow down - which is actually perhaps (only time will tell) in making arrests only when necessary, a change toward responsible policing) in terms of improving relations between communities and police officers.
It is a response which shows much of the American police force and law-and-order establishment to be tone-deaf to legitimate concerns and to be much more concerned about their egos than they are about the law.
NO, NOT ALL COPS, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEN IN THE MEDIA AS REPRESENTING THEIR COLLECTIVE INTERESTS!
But to act as if there isn't racial disparity in the way New Yorkers are treated by the police, or to say that acknowledging the same is inflammatory, or acknowledging the same is anti-police or makes unfair generalities about cops, or to suggest that parents of children of color shouldn't be especially concerned about how their children conduct themselves in encounters with the police is, frankly, stupid.
Joey, yes, of course it's about labor relations, 51,000 employees and a Mayor. But it has been taken to a new level with the way the PBOE has reacted to de Blasio and the way people like Giuliani have reacted to de Blasio and Obama re: recent high profile cases of police brutality. A level which is counterproductive (except, perhaps, ironically, with the police slow down - which is actually perhaps (only time will tell) in making arrests only when necessary, a change toward responsible policing) in terms of improving relations between communities and police officers.
It is a response which shows much of the American police force and law-and-order establishment to be tone-deaf to legitimate concerns and to be much more concerned about their egos than they are about the law.
NO, NOT ALL COPS, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEN IN THE MEDIA AS REPRESENTING THEIR COLLECTIVE INTERESTS!
Updated On: 1/3/15 at 09:39 AM
#56
Posted: 1/3/15 at 10:06am
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 10:06 AM
#57
Yes, but has THIS ever happened before? This is RRRRRRRRRRICH!
Posted: 1/3/15 at 11:30am
Yes, but has THIS ever happened before? This is RRRRRRRRRRICH!
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#58
Posted: 1/3/15 at 12:00pm
No one is making generalizations about profiling or police brutality in the NYPD. The statistics speak pretty loudly for themselves.
#59
Posted: 1/4/15 at 9:19am
"But making generalizations about racism and police brutality serves no beneficial purpose. Better to push for changes in the prosecutorial and grand-jury systems, so that cops who act illegally are legitimately punished."
It's important to push for special prosecutors in cases of police brutality.
Generally, I'm a believer in grand jury presentations. I believe it's best for all people accused of crimes to be able to testify before grand juries. And I don't think there should be an exception to that rule if one is a police officer. Cops shouldn't get greater rights, but they also shouldn't get lesser rights. Achieving that is difficult. There is an inherent bias among many grand jurors when it comes to our positive feelings about law enforcement and our sympathies for them because of the challenges of law enforcement work.
But to acknowledge that there is racism in American law enforcement, or to acknowledge that there is brutality (of both racist and non-racist forms) in American law enforcement, is neither to attribute that racism to every cop or every judge or every prosecutor....nor is it inflammatory.
It's simply facing facts. (for alarming racial disparities in law enforcement, see, for instance Judge Bruce Wright's "Black Robes, White Justice" and :the stop and frisk policy" (an unfortunate name as "stop and frisk" based on reasonable suspicion is merely a tenet of American constitutional law, "stop and frisk" as used to describe this policy transcends and violates those basic 4th Amendment Rules and was selectively practiced in only certain neighborhoods) in New York and against certain communities), and the practice of racial profiling, and the disparities in sentences for defendants based on race..... for starters.
The emphasis should not only be on making sure that cops who are brutal are punished.
The emphasis must also be on preventing horrible tragic miscarriages of justice which lead to violence and death from police brutality from happening in the first place.
And that is true for police brutality whether it is racially motivated or not. Not all police brutality is.
To only focus on punishment is to care more about what happens to the abuser after-the-fact than to actually try to prevent people from being abused in the first place.
Joey, you've raised many good points about the long history of major conflicts between the Mayor and NYPD.
But to actually blame the mayor for the brutal targeted killings of two police officers, and on such preposterous reasoning, strikes many of us as something quite different and, in the current political context, especially inflammatory.
It's important to push for special prosecutors in cases of police brutality.
Generally, I'm a believer in grand jury presentations. I believe it's best for all people accused of crimes to be able to testify before grand juries. And I don't think there should be an exception to that rule if one is a police officer. Cops shouldn't get greater rights, but they also shouldn't get lesser rights. Achieving that is difficult. There is an inherent bias among many grand jurors when it comes to our positive feelings about law enforcement and our sympathies for them because of the challenges of law enforcement work.
But to acknowledge that there is racism in American law enforcement, or to acknowledge that there is brutality (of both racist and non-racist forms) in American law enforcement, is neither to attribute that racism to every cop or every judge or every prosecutor....nor is it inflammatory.
It's simply facing facts. (for alarming racial disparities in law enforcement, see, for instance Judge Bruce Wright's "Black Robes, White Justice" and :the stop and frisk policy" (an unfortunate name as "stop and frisk" based on reasonable suspicion is merely a tenet of American constitutional law, "stop and frisk" as used to describe this policy transcends and violates those basic 4th Amendment Rules and was selectively practiced in only certain neighborhoods) in New York and against certain communities), and the practice of racial profiling, and the disparities in sentences for defendants based on race..... for starters.
The emphasis should not only be on making sure that cops who are brutal are punished.
The emphasis must also be on preventing horrible tragic miscarriages of justice which lead to violence and death from police brutality from happening in the first place.
And that is true for police brutality whether it is racially motivated or not. Not all police brutality is.
To only focus on punishment is to care more about what happens to the abuser after-the-fact than to actually try to prevent people from being abused in the first place.
Joey, you've raised many good points about the long history of major conflicts between the Mayor and NYPD.
But to actually blame the mayor for the brutal targeted killings of two police officers, and on such preposterous reasoning, strikes many of us as something quite different and, in the current political context, especially inflammatory.
Updated On: 1/4/15 at 09:19 AM
#60
The NYPD doing what they do best
Posted: 1/4/15 at 1:23pm
The NYPD doing what they do best
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
#61
Posted: 1/4/15 at 2:33pm
Good for them. Until de Blasio apologizes, they should keep it up.
#62
Posted: 1/4/15 at 3:11pm
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#63
Posted: 1/4/15 at 3:49pm
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 03:49 PM
#64
Posted: 1/4/15 at 7:37pm
Labor relations are political.
Labor relations between public sector labor and governmental management are, if anything, even more political.
Labor relations which concern - or at the very least are publicly framed by one or both of the parties as concerning - the way our government and law enforcement and the justice system and our communities respond and interreact when people are killed by the police under highly suspect circumstances are certainly political.
Labor relations between public sector labor and governmental management are, if anything, even more political.
Labor relations which concern - or at the very least are publicly framed by one or both of the parties as concerning - the way our government and law enforcement and the justice system and our communities respond and interreact when people are killed by the police under highly suspect circumstances are certainly political.
Updated On: 1/5/15 at 07:37 PM
#65
Posted: 1/6/15 at 7:41am
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 07:41 AM
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