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#4201

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:01am

I don't think the defendent himself should know...I mean if the defendent gets loose (bail, not-guilty, etc) and really did commit the crime, he knows all this personal stuff.

But there is a law that both parties are allowed to all facts that are concerned to the case (My Cousin Vinny).....

However, we also reach the problem of Hearsay (sp?).

"I've often said I should put sweets in my chair - they'd spend less time on my a** that way....." ~F.W.B.

#4202

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:02am

haha, NICE!! Atleast you get another take.. but that's what I love about live theatre.. the flubs can be hilarious..

"All work and no smut makes Cammy lose her edge." ~DG

"Someday I'm going to have a baby and I'm gonna name her L'il Mimi Marquez and I and will sing to her every day and when she's a toddler I will say "L'il Mimi Marquez, clad only in a bubble diaper, will perform her famous play pen handcuff dance to the sounds of breast milk being pumped!" ~Kringas

#4203

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:03am

Mind flashes to The Full Monty - Opening scene!

"I've often said I should put sweets in my chair - they'd spend less time on my a** that way....." ~F.W.B.

#4204

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:03am

oh and night fabala..

mmm full monty..

#4205

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:04am

guys... i'm tired.

#4206

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:04am

Fredi, that also almost works to the tune of Another Day!

jmac, yeah, but the issue isn't so much hearsay, but the idea that, let's say the complainant is being molested, the accused may have access to school records and be all "the accused is not credible because she does badly on school." or, let's say the accused get into psychiatric records and claims that the complainant may suffer from delusions or schizophrenia, or argue that hte mere fact that the complainant is seeking therapeutic treatment may discredit her.

"It's not always about you!!!" (But if you think I'm referring to you anyway, then I probably am.)

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#4207

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:04am

yeah - both parties get info regarding the CASE...

called disclosure.. (right tiff?)

but - her personal medical records have nothing to do with the case ...

If she accused someone of rape before - that could be pertinent and then the rape kit could be submitted into evidence... but her personal records... NOT! (her having a pap smear the year before is not the same thing - even an abortion - her business)

"Stupidity should be PAINFUL!" - Cam "Yeah - painful for the STUPID not the rest of us!" OMDB

#4208

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:05am

*whining* can i go to bed?

#4209

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:05am

yes.....

Man walks out in a business suit. He holds a breifcase. The music plays. He starts to get into it. He starts to undress. He is left in just a green (?) thong. He dances - thrusting his hips - à la Chippendale's...The cell phone rings. He starts looking around for it. He pulls it out of his thong.

"I've often said I should put sweets in my chair - they'd spend less time on my a** that way....." ~F.W.B.

#4210

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:06am

Aww Beka, as a very wise man once told me..

"Sleeeeeeep is Gooooood"

That goes back to putting the victim on trial..

Tiff what are you doing here?

#4211

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:06am

some of these basketball players would look GREAT in speedos...

"Stupidity should be PAINFUL!" - Cam "Yeah - painful for the STUPID not the rest of us!" OMDB

#4212

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:07am

but sleep isn't good when i just realized there's a WHOLE section to the french project i forgot to do. this is what happens when i loose my planner for a day. that planner is my god. without it i am nothing.

#4213

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:08am

Beka, I thought you went to bed hours ago! :)

Hi ::Waves:: :)

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#4214

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:08am

Yup, disclosure. (Go on with your bad L&O-luvin' self!) Okay, but if there's an inalienable guarantee of doctor-patient confidentiality, doesn't this give the complainant the freedom to say whatever and get away with it? What if the complainant admits to her therapist that she fabricated the claim, or that her memory of the events is fuzzy and maaaybe it wasn't really the defendant who raped her, etc...what should be the limitations?

#4215

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:09am

not possible - because then the doctor becomes and accomplice - and is liable for prosecution....

same thing with a lawyer who cannot willing assist a criminal act..

(granted defense lawyers have a LOT of leway....)

"Stupidity should be PAINFUL!" - Cam "Yeah - painful for the STUPID not the rest of us!" OMDB

Updated On: 12/9/04 at 02:09 AM

#4216

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:10am

ME? go to BED? are you KIDDING?

even when i do go to bed, i have turned into an insomniac and i don't fall asleep. i just lay in bed for hours. i've gone to bed and just laid there until the alarm goes off before...

#4217

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:11am

i am so totally confused about fredi and tiff's convo. i think i missed a page when i was catching up... when did court cases come up?

#4218

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:12am

FINALLY--

finished the "a" block...

on to the "b" block...

1 take?

any bets...

"Stupidity should be PAINFUL!" - Cam "Yeah - painful for the STUPID not the rest of us!" OMDB

#4219

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:12am

yeah, disclosure.

Well, the files aren't allowed because of patient-doctor confidentiality <--EDIT: I remembered!

If the defendent does claim insanity, the court gives him a psychiatric test. As far as school records - for a learning disability? That's usually obvious - they have tests for that.

Basically, the "insanity" plea is the easiest way for a defendent to win and the hardest thing to prove. You just need good lawyers and to let the jury decide...

In my opinion, the court, lawyers, and defendent should sit down together and look over the files. If anything proves (or disproves) sanity, etc. the document should be used.

Too many ppl have gotten off because they pleaded insanity and only had to see a psychiatrist. Maybe that's why, if you commit murder, and plea insanity, they put you in a home, instead of letting you go free...

"I've often said I should put sweets in my chair - they'd spend less time on my a** that way....." ~F.W.B.

Updated On: 12/9/04 at 02:12 AM

#4220

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:13am

i'm tiiirreedd.

i really think i'm delirious at this point.

#4221

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:13am

mmm basketball players in speedos.. I'm such a sucker for tall, hot men..

Tiff you are good at this whole devils advocate role.. Unfortunately no matter what the patient discloses, unless they are planning something illegal is covered by patient dr confidentiality..

Beka, unfortunately as you get tired your productivity will dwindle and it will take you longer to do.. Good luck

#4222

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:14am

okay, speaking of defense lawyers getting a lot of leway, when it comes to accessing personal records, they actually get a lot less leway than the Crown (Canada's equivalent of the DA). I mean, all the Crown has to do to obtain anyone's personal records are obtain a search warrant or subpoena. However, the defense has to go through a much more stringent system that prove that there's a "likely probative value" in producing the records. This was understandable, so the defense couldn't go on a "fishing expedition" and pull out any means possible to discredit the complainant, but doesn't this give the Crown an unfair advantage if the accused is presumed innocent?

#4223

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:14am

i don't think ive ever had an all nighter before. i usually get 1 hour of sleep.

#4224

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:15am

ok, i'm leaving again. will anyone still be on at, say, 5?

#4225

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Posted: 12/9/04 at 2:16am

It has to do with Law and Order I think...which I missed tonight because I watched Lost and then filled out Holiday cards :)

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