Twilight and mormon church ?- Page 2

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 4:54pm

I'm sure if the Mormon church came out and said that Mormon's shouldn't patronize any business that is owned by or has hired a homosexual because some fraction of a fraction of the money might go and support the next gay marriage fight, then you would be in and uproar burning them in effigy.

Did anyone burn the Pope in effigy when it the Catholic church threatened to pull out of their charity work in DC? No, of course not.

Even though they are just following the logic presented here.

No, that's the just the false logic you are trying to project on this.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 5:27pm

The woman supports an oranization that actively seeks to deprive people of their civil rights. This cannot be denied.

I haven't read her books, or seen the movies based on them, largely because I thought that all that vampire sh*t went out with Anne Rice. I'll cop to having thought about picking up a copy of TWILIGHT for some cheap laughs just to see how bad it is, or maybe to find out how unexpectedly good it is -- one never knows.

Yeah, I knew she was a Mormon. But having it confirmed that a significant part of her annual intake goes to support The Church Of Latterday Scumbag Bigots, I will never allow one of her books to soil my hands. By all accounts I won't exactly be missing much.

[winston89]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 5:41pm

So by the logic of some on this thread, supporting the Twilight franchise is bad because a portion of profits made from it, go to the bigoted Mormon Church.

Now, it has been said that Bernadette Peters has never confirmed nor denied that she is a member of the Church Of Scientology. Now, Let's say for argument's sake that she comes out and says that she is in fact a member. Considering that her fan base is the very gay friendly Broadway community, are we going to throw away any copies we have of the original cast recording of Sunday in The Park With George? Refuse to by any tickets to her concerts? Stop supporting Broadway Barks? Of course not. If you think that it is okay to stop supporting Twilight due to where the money goes and who puts the money there. Then by giving Peters a pass should she come out on the subject of her religion would be a double standard.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 5:47pm

It's like the owner/founder of Chick-Fil-A doesn't believe in gay rights or a lot "un-Christian like" things. But, I am not going to stop going there to eat. I am a Christian and I have my own beliefs and ideals. I am not going there because I agree with his - I am going there to get a chicken sandwich.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 5:55pm

A decision about Bernadette Peters would have to wait until I found out for sure that she was actually a Scientologist, which would be disappointing as a reflection on her intelligence more than anything else. But point taken, I guess we should be consistent about who we support and why. But there's very little chance that I'll deprive myself of my SUNDAY IN THE PARK or INTO THE WOODS recordings because of that. My respect for her incredible genius as a performer would trump my disappointment at her devotion to that punchline of a religion. Almost like being identified as a Scientologist is punishment enough, somehow.

On the other hand, I voted for Barack Obama, and he actively supports discrimination against gays far more vocally than Bernadette Peters or Stephenie Meyers so far have.

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[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 5:56pm

"So by the logic of some on this thread, supporting the Twilight franchise is bad because a portion of profits made from it, go to the bigoted Mormon Church."

Yes. Exactly.

Now you are understanding!

[zoraksferal]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:06pm

We really should not let our hatred of those who support something that hates us dictate our likes and dislikes of a book or movie. Hell, I know gay people who are mormons, and simply disagree with that one part of the churches belief (only in Utah are there enough mormons to eventually lead to some gay ones I guess).

Now, Twilight sucks. It sucks more than most things in the entertainment world... hate it for that, not on some presumptuous stereotype we are putting on all mormons.

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[nygrl232]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:10pm

Any cool apps for the homophone?

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:15pm

Gay Mormons are like Gay Republicans -- pathetic losers who don't have the sense to disassociate themselves from an organization that seeks to keep them second class human beings, and who don't see the damage that their allegiance to their respective monstrous organizations is actually inflicting on them. You'd think that basic self-preservation would suggest that they find other more meaningful pursuits, but human stupidity knows no bounds.

[zoraksferal]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:18pm

So... you are saying that you can't both believe in gay rights, and ? Things can coexist. If they believe God did whatever the mormons believe they did, than there is nothing dumb about it. Ya know, you need a new tactic other than attacking others as stupid... it is just kinda sad that you always think everyone who has a different view from yours is stupid.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:25pm

Dear dear zoraks, I am saying that to belong to an organization that specifically seeks to deny you your civil rights is a pretty damn stupid thing to do. Are you saying that gays who belong to the same "Church" that spends millions of their tithed dollars to ensure second-class citizenship status gays are smart?

I would never say that anyone who has a different view from mine is stupid. Don't put words in my mouth. But Gay Mormons and Gay Republicans are pretty damn stupid. Looks like you disagree. I'm not calling you stupid.

[artscallion]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:25pm

It's not about presumptuously stereotyping mormons. I couldn't care less how this Twilight author feels or acts towards gays. For all I know, she loves gays and volunteers at gay soup kitchens. Nobody's stereotyping her.

But the FACT remains that she gives part of her income to an institution that uses that money to actively promote anti-gay sentiment and legislation.

I tell my catholic family members that until they start attaching notes to their collection plate money telling the church that no part of this money can be used to advance the church's anti-gay and anti-woman policies, they are, in fact, supporting those things, NOT just the happy things they choose to take from the church.

If I learned that Bernadette Peters tithed to Scientology, she'd get no more of my money.

Your values can be shallow and convenient, or they can be real and deep. Not sure why some folks don't think I can dole out my own money any effin' way I see fit. If Twilight lady can, why can't I?

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[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:31pm

Interesting how many people around here are so willing to come to the defense of people who support bigotry.

[zoraksferal]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:32pm

I just feel that, by attacking two (though small, groups of gays who have a different political view on most issues (other than one of them, obviously), or religious view, is just a little intolerant. Perhaps I am just not understanding what makes them stupid for believing in something else, just because that something else also has a bad track record with gays. Can't we all just love each other, and hate Twilight together on the merits that it is written for teenage girls with the reading level of a five year old?

[Weez]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:38pm

any time I hear someone say "I want to read Twilight" I suggest they go pick up the House of Night series by PC & Kristin Cast. Better written and you money isn't going to end up in the hands of the Mormon church.

Yeesh, "better written" in the way that being stabbed through the heart is better for your health than being shot through the head. As terrible a writer as Stephenie Meyer is, at least it's possible to get through the entire Twilight series without wanting to kill yourself. Just... hurl the books across the room in disgust. XP

If you want a GOOD vampire novel, it's just best to steer clear of teenage fiction all together, really. When I first read the Saga of Darren Shan, I NEVER thought I'd look back at it with fondness and a thought of "man, remember when teen vampire fiction was merely rubbish, rather than almost dangerously terrible?". O_O

[Roscoe]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:39pm

Zoraks, dear heart, it is not intolerant to hate a bigoted Church or to think that gay members of bigoted Churches and Political Parties are stupid. It is an entirely sensible response.

It isn't that they believe in "something else." As clearly as possible, I'd say that being a gay Mormon/Republican is like being an African-American member of the Ku Klux Klan. Get it now? Being a member of an organization that would just as soon see you dead seems, yes, STUPID to me.

We may in fact just plain disagree. I'm still not calling you stupid.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:43pm

I just feel that, by attacking two (though small, groups of gays who have a different political view on most issues (other than one of them, obviously), or religious view, is just a little intolerant.

But it's not. It's not intolerant at all.

[artscallion]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:44pm

"...just because that something else also has a bad track record with gays."

No, Sears clothing department has a bad track record with gays; these groups both actively work to oppress, persecute and strip gays of their rights.

[zoraksferal]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 6:47pm

Yeah, this is just gonna be something we will probably always disagree on haha. Oh well, at least it was a nice argumentative diversion away from sparkly vampires.

[AwesomeDanny]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:01pm

I, personally, am a fan of Twilight, but I am a teenager. I don't believe that by buying the books, one is donating to the Mormon church. If an office worker donates 10% to his or her church, that doesn't mean that payroll is donating to the church. It is the money she worked for, so she is entitled to do whatever she wants with it, whether we agree or disagree. Of course, I am disappointed with this news, but I have learned to respect people's beliefs so they can respect mine.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:02pm

"Yeah, this is just gonna be something we will probably always disagree on haha. Oh well, at least it was a nice argumentative diversion away from sparkly vampires."

and crappy writing...

[zoraksferal]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:05pm

That is an insult to crap.

[Craww]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:42pm

That's why I only read that shiz from the library.

I also only saw the movies on free passes.

I'm an expert at denying Stephenie Meyer money while still having the necessary knowledge of her work to mock it mercilessly for great fun and merriment.

[alxscrz2]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:55pm

lol just saw an ad for New Moon on this site

[Eris0303]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 7:55pm

Haha, Weez. I don't read young adult fiction myself though I have read all of PC Cast's adult novels and enjoyed them immensely. And my sister enjoys the House of Night series. When someone says they want to read Twilight I have to assume that they're looking for young adult novels. So I recommend House of Night since it's for young adults.

I thought that all that vampire sh*t went out with Anne Rice

Vampire novels haven't really gone anywhere. I read LJ Smith (Vampire Diaries) when I was in high school and graduated to PC Cast and Sherrilyn Kenyon later on. Paranormal romance novels are a big industry. It only recently became a big part of the young adult world were people like Judy Blume and Paula Danzigner once reigned supreme.