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#1

Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 11:33am


NY Times article.
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert
#2

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 11:35am

What a great week! C'mon California!

If Prop 8 goes down, that will be 10% of the states with marriage equality. And I bet that gets the ball rolling on a few more who are so close to it.

I may just get to have my wedding and my marriage take place on the same day next summer afterall!
johnraymondbarker.com
#3

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 11:42am

Come on America...everyone's doing it!
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert
#4

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 11:55am

And Vermont is the first state to do so through the legislature and not the courts, so no accusations of "activist judges legislating from the bench."

This is the will of the people!
#5

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 11:59am

It isn't the will of the people. It is the will of a small group of legislators devoted to promoting the homosexual agenda of perversion and indecency, and we have to amend Vermont's constitution immediately to keep the faggots in the gutter where they belong!

So I can write faggot, but not ****cat? Man oh man...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

Updated On: 4/7/09 at 11:59 AM

#6

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:14pm

Vermont takes its constitution more seriously than California does. The process of amending the Vermont constitution is an arduous one that takes over two years.

It is unlikely that a constitutional amendment like the travesty in California would ever happen in Vermont.
#7

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:17pm

Yeah, there was something similar about Iowa's constitution, I remember reading about it. An amendment has to be approved in two consecutive sessions and then get voted on by the voters, it takes a LONG time.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#8

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:24pm

And like MA, the voters will see that the sky won't fall and that things are prob better off. (Esp those voters in the wedding industry).

That's the shame of Cali--that Prop should never have gone to vote so soon.
johnraymondbarker.com
#9

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:26pm

Cue the Mormon e-mail to Vermont members telling them to overturn the measure...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#10

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:32pm

Is there much of a Mormon contingent there? Anyway, I don't think that counter-measures are going to be too successful in Vermont, because that state has had a good long time to wrestle with the idea of gay unions and to see them in action. It isn't a new and scary idea to them - it's something they've digested and, I'm fairly sure, decided isn't so bad. That's how it's going to happen, state by state.
#11

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:35pm

The legislature passed it by a very large margin since they had to overturn the Gov. Jim Douglas's veto. 100-49 in the House, 23-5 in the senate.
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert
#12

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:46pm

I think it will be very similar to the interracial marriage journey--state by state and then a US Supreme Court decision to reach all 50 states and enact Federal recognition (if DOMA isn't struck down by then).

Sadly, interracial marriage wouldn't likely be legal in all 50 states if it was left to the states.

It took 80 years between the first state to legalize interracial marriage until the SC rulling in 67. I believe it won't take as long for gay marriage. It woudn't shock me to see it happen in the next 10 - 20 years, in fact.
johnraymondbarker.com
#13

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:50pm

That's the shame of Cali--that Prop should never have gone to vote so soon.

That's a far cry from what was said before the vote.

#14

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:54pm

Touche. Thank God I learn from my mistakes, right?

But just how many people really thought Cali was gonna fall like that?

If we had been talking about most any state, I would have been afraid of a vote that soon.
johnraymondbarker.com
#15

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:57pm

Well, that wasn't directed at you. I was just speaking in general. I think any grand proclamations about stuff like this just beg to be rebuked, is all.

For what it's worth, I had a hunch California was gonna go like that.
#16

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 12:59pm

I recall my getting nervous as we got closer and polling was bizarrely close. I recall very few people realizing what could happen. But a big part of me just knew California wouldn't pass it. I think we all learned a lot from it.
johnraymondbarker.com
#23

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 1:41pm

Where are you registered?
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#25

re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage.

Posted: 4/7/09 at 2:38pm

Congrats VERMONT! 46 States to go and 3 new england states (ri, me & nh) and all of new england will be free for gay & lesbian to marry! c'mon... new york!

J*

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