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Who Were the Better Parents?
#25re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:37pmDrink to that? COMPANY. Oh please!
" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."
#26re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:38pmwow...a shill from the roseanne show!?! hehe j/k matt. anyway i think there have been some other tv parents who had it right too... the parents from Step By Step...the fathers from both "my 2 dads" and "full house"...the parents from "growing pains"....redd foxx in "sanford and son"...."eight is enough". so on and so forth....
"Applause begets applause in the theatre, as laughter begets laughter and tears beget tears."
CLAYTON HAMILTON, "Theory of the Theatre"
"I think theater ought to be theatrical ... you know, shuffling the pack in different ways so that it's -- there's always some kind of ambush involved in the experience. You're being ambushed by an unexpected word, or by an elephant falling out of the cupboard, whatever it is."
TOM STOPPARD
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#27re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:41pmNo, they didn't get it right. Those are all enjoyable shows, but still follow the 30 minute rule where problems are all resolved by the end of the episode. Characters in Roseanne had problems that lasted for YEARS. Towards the mid second season, the show morphed into what it would become which was part comedy and part drama. Many episodes ended on a very sad note which was something unheard of in a sitcom. The reason it did so well for 8 years (ignoring the last season) was because America saw themselves and their families each week. We all fight with our mother, sister, brother, Aunt. We've had our power turned off because we were broke. We've lost our jobs and were struggling. But we keep doing the best we can, and that's what you don't see anymore on TV.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#28re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:42pmThe Conners were very good parents. They could have done better in the kitchen but they were good at raising children.
" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."
BT
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#29re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:43pmYeah, 8 is enough was no Father Knows Best - they had some rough times there. Betty shoulda just belted out Memory - that would have shut them out. Except Grant Goodeve - I had such a crush on him. Little house on the Prairie was one of those examples of parents that I did not have -- If we had been stuck out in the wild woods like that there would have been no happy fiddle playin' at our house!
I sing for myself. I sing when I want, whenever I want to, just for me. I sing for my own pleasure. Do you understand that?
#30re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:46pm
Word, Matt.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#31re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:51pmthat's not true...those shows may have been enjoyable, but the parenting was still done correctly. lots of sad situations do end happily. not every family has a member who has problems they can't shake. american families are not like the conners on the average.
"Applause begets applause in the theatre, as laughter begets laughter and tears beget tears."
CLAYTON HAMILTON, "Theory of the Theatre"
"I think theater ought to be theatrical ... you know, shuffling the pack in different ways so that it's -- there's always some kind of ambush involved in the experience. You're being ambushed by an unexpected word, or by an elephant falling out of the cupboard, whatever it is."
TOM STOPPARD
iflitifloat
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/10/03
#33re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/12/04 at 7:56pm
Well, first of all the "white trashy" comment came out wrong...I meant it affectionately in the same way I use it when describing how some of my neighbors probably view me...lol. I agree with Matt. They presented a very real portrayal of a lot of American families....and I consistently found a lot in that show to which I related.
Two dimensional "family" shows have created unrealistic expectations for generations of kids whose families didn't quite measure up to Ma and Pa Ingalls or Ward and June. The Conners struggled, and were sometimes harsh with each other, but when push came to shove, they really pulled together.
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
Jersey_Girl
Understudy Joined: 6/10/04
#34re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 8:32am
I am really scared to think that Dan and Rosanne are considered the norm for many of you. In my opinion, Rosanne is portrayed as a nasty, selfish, sloppy, and sarcastic individual. The constant bickering with Dan is irritating - as is the way they both speak 'at' the children.
My parents never spoke to each other with such disrespect. As a matter of fact, I don't think they would speak to a stranger on the street with such discourtesy. Neither would I, nor would my own children. I really don't know anyone who would: how could this be considered normal?
Sitcoms are just that: situation comedys. The idea is to have a laugh and resolution within the allotted half hour. It's an escape and a laugh. That's why they are called sitcoms.
Don't get me wrong. I've had my ups and downs: been broke but never to the point where I had my power shut off. I've worked two jobs to pay my bills but never lost my dignity and self-respect like the Connors. I just don't get them as role models.
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#35re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 9:19am
"I've worked two jobs to pay my bills but never lost my dignity and self-respect like the Connors."
I don't think I have ever been more disgusted with a post on this board than by this one. Just WHO do you think you are to tell people that struggle that they have no self respect? Do you honestly think you and your family are so perfect? You have SOME nerve lady.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#36re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 9:26amI never noticed the Connors losing their dignity and self-respect. If they had, the show would have taken a far different turn. That was a huge part of the appeal.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#37re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 9:29amBesides the shows wonderful humor the biggest factor that impressed me was how the Conners did NOT talk down to their children. They did not talk at them.
" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."
BT
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#38re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 9:40amMatt and Rath have this exactly right - the beauty of Roseanne was that they maintained their dignity and self respect but recognized where they stood in the world and didn't let it change who they were. They used humor as a coping mechanism. In a lot of ways it let a lot of us out there who didn't have a lot realize that you can still laugh, and if you're stressed out and angry you can snap at someone or be sarcastic but still love them.
I sing for myself. I sing when I want, whenever I want to, just for me. I sing for my own pleasure. Do you understand that?
#39re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 9:46amI totally agree with you Matt! good for you. Rosanne hit so close to home it hurt!
"It never bothered me that she called me a c*nt, it bothered me that I answered to it!" Carol Channing about Ethel Merman filming an episode of "The Love Boat"
buddha2
Leading Actor Joined: 9/10/04
#40re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 10:04amOh I like Mike and Carol. The thought of Carol banging Gregg back in the bedroom and Mike wanting to bang Gregg secretly is just titillating.
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#41re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 11:39amThat was the unaired episode of THE BRADY BUNCH. It will be on the DVD, though.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
Jersey_Girl
Understudy Joined: 6/10/04
#42re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 12:35pmIf that's what you guys consider dignity and self-respect, I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't want to be in that household for one minute. And, by the way, my name is not LADY. Show some manners - case in point.
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#43re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 12:40pm
Wow, you're a piece of work LADY. You're the kind of self righteous trash my parents would have thrown out on their ass if you ever stepped foot into our house. (Luckily your kind weren't too welcome)
You need to get over yourself and fast and realize that all families aren't like yours with a country club daddy and a pill popping mommy who buys us everything we want.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
Marquise
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/1/04
#45re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 12:50pm
and the drama continues.........
when does it really ever end.....
BT
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#46re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 12:50pmThanks, Jersey_Girl. You have really put a damper on the thread with your condescending remarks. Go respect yourself somewhere else. I don't think I would call you Lady, personally, but you are no lady as far as I'm concerned.
I sing for myself. I sing when I want, whenever I want to, just for me. I sing for my own pleasure. Do you understand that?
buddha2
Leading Actor Joined: 9/10/04
#47re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 1:21pmshe's from "jersey" and admits to it, enough said
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#48re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 1:25pmYeah, and there's no working class in Jersey. I forgot.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#49re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 1:36pm
Listen up...Not every child raised in a country club home is a spoiled, good for nothin' brat. Both my parents worked for what they had, and they taught me the lessons I know today. So what if we spent our weekends at the pool or with a private trainer. I know how to work. I'm paying my way through college w/o the help of my parents money.
So don't trash talk the guys who actually work. I don't trash talk you.
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#50re: Who Were the Better Parents?
Posted: 9/13/04 at 1:37pmDid you see my mention "Captain Oblivious" anywhere in there? No. I was talking to one person in particular. Thanks for playing, though!
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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