re: The Official Manoel Felciano Love Thread (PART 3!)- Page 6
re: The Official Manoel Felciano Love Thread (PART 3!)
#125The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:00pmBut a little Birdie taught me that distance is a good thing...I wouldn't want to be DANGEROUS or anything, creepy little fangirl that I am.
"We don't value the lily less for not being made of flint and built to last. Life's bounty is in it's flow, later is too late. Where is the song when it's been sung, the dance when it's been danced? It's only we humans who want to own the future too."
- Tom Stoppard, Shipwreck
#126The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:03pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 06:03 PM
#127The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:07pmOkay Chica, say it with me now: Distance is a good thing.
"We don't value the lily less for not being made of flint and built to last. Life's bounty is in it's flow, later is too late. Where is the song when it's been sung, the dance when it's been danced? It's only we humans who want to own the future too."
- Tom Stoppard, Shipwreck
#128The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:09pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 06:09 PM
MOXIEINTHECITY
Broadway Star Joined: 5/11/06
#129The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:11pm
Ohhhhh...I see. The e-mails I've been having with some of you have been passed around. I get it. I thought everyone was just in a tizzy because I sent him an e-mail and suggested he distance himself and he then, a day later, he coincidentally closed his inbox.
Updated On: 6/14/06 at 06:11 PM
#130The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:14pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 06:14 PM
#131The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:14pmUmmm, when you post things on someone's blog or your own (quite an entertaining read by the way), you have to expect that they'll get around.
"We don't value the lily less for not being made of flint and built to last. Life's bounty is in it's flow, later is too late. Where is the song when it's been sung, the dance when it's been danced? It's only we humans who want to own the future too."
- Tom Stoppard, Shipwreck
#132The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:17pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 06:17 PM
#133The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 6:18pmSeriously, it's all about the power that getting him to close his inbox makes you feel. How does that compare with your other powers, Moxie?
"We don't value the lily less for not being made of flint and built to last. Life's bounty is in it's flow, later is too late. Where is the song when it's been sung, the dance when it's been danced? It's only we humans who want to own the future too."
- Tom Stoppard, Shipwreck
#134The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 7:05pm
The thing that amuses me here, unsurprisingly, is the dissonance between intention and result; it's like their chasing each other in circles, one never to catch up to the other. They hypocrisy is truly laughable.
Er -- he replies to messages from his fans. Fans like him. Why would he get messages from people who didn't like him, let alone feel like he should be nice and respond to them? The people sending the messages are not the same as the people posting derogatory comments.
#135The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 7:19pmUpdated On: 3/25/08 at 07:19 PM
kate2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/6/05
#136The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 7:20pmHow could Patti NOT get it!? Updated On: 6/15/06 at 07:20 PM
#137The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 7:58pm
As far as Mano responding to the homophobe thing... that was just him jumping in to protect his integrity, though -- it happened a few months ago with Anthony Rapp, over a different kind of issue. I'm not saying that excuses what went on here, but, I think that's all it was. He wasn't really feeding it, but... I suppose he felt like he had to to do it.
She's not the one who's twisted.... you don't even see what you're doing -- all of the things you've given people on this board flack for, you are guilty of.
#138The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 8:14pm
I've been on the sidelines for a lot of this, but I have to jump in to say this: Mano is an adult. He's new to fame, yes, but he's not stupid. Do you feel that you're protecting him, Moxie? No offense to you, but I'm sure that he has a lot of people with whom he is closer and who are in the business whose advice he would value over someone he has messaged with a few times on MySpace (I'm assuming). It seems altogether egotistical to read his closing his inbox for the week as something done because you suggested that he needed to distance himself from fans. He may or may not truly need to do that, but even to read closing his inbox because he's overwhelmed by the volume of messages that he has right now as "dstancing himself" seems pretty presumptuous.
And no, I'm not saying this because I "know" him -- I don't. At all. But, I think that my point is: neither do you.
Updated On: 6/14/06 at 08:14 PM
MOXIEINTHECITY
Broadway Star Joined: 5/11/06
#139The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 8:29pm
"I thought everyone was just in a tizzy because I sent him an e-mail and suggested he distance himself and he then, a day later, he coincidentally closed his inbox. "
Like i said...he coincidentally closed his inbox after I sent my e-mail suggesting he distance himself. I didn't say he closed his inbox specifically because of my e-mail.
#140The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 8:33pm
But you sure as hell implied it; you *want* to take that credit. Gives you power. Puts you above the fangirls you're so afraid of being associated with.
It's not all about just what you *say*. That's basic.
#141The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 8:37pm
Like i said...he coincidentally closed his inbox after I sent my e-mail suggesting he distance himself. I didn't say he closed his inbox specifically because of my e-mail.
I think I just had Deja moo. 'Cause I've heard that bull before!
Ba dum chh!
#142The official Mano, Patti, Michael and Sweeney Todd were ROBBED thread
Posted: 6/14/06 at 8:40pmUpdated On: 3/25/08 at 08:40 PM
#143"Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy..."
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:20pm
I'm just going to go right into this and be blunt; perhaps I should warn you, though -- stylized written rant ahead. I'll try really hard to keep it free of "it's all about me" sentiment -- not because I have it and I need to save face and cover it up, but because -- perhaps since that's *your* personal mindset -- you read it in absolutely everything. So I'll be sure to be extra clear in weeding it out for you. This is hardly about me defending myself and my actions -- it's about calling bullsh*t.
As it if wasn't enough to troll the boards, you had to bring Manoel into this little war you've waged. It drips with irony and hypocrisy; that which you accuse others of engaging in is your on gulit list, too: possessiveness, dramatics, being argumentative, self-righteousness, putting too much weight on actor accessibility, and wanting too much from an actor. Yet somehow, you see that you're different and special -- not nagging, as we must be, and deserving of his attention -- liked more than everyone else, with some better understanding and connection than anyone else. You display it all in your defenses against it all. I won't stoop so low as to let him see the inner workings of the down and dirty fangirlism, by getting into it on the poor guy's blog nor as low as being so hypocrital. Besides, it's already gone public in this forum. You posted there to protect yourself from the backlash, and from possibly, God forbid, being told you're wrong. No one would dare start a seemingly petty argument on the sacred actor's blog. And of course, to take it one step further -- this notion of you and your inability to accept opposition -- you've gone and started erasing comments from your own blog -- so hugely telling. You simply cannot handle the fact that you might be wrong: wrong in passing judgement on people you do not know -- your judgement calls are based on nothing, they're just arbitrarily thrown insults; you'll probably give me grief for "passing judgement" on your, but at least what I say comes from what you've outright displayed, not some inherent need to toss bitchy, petty comments in weak defense. You're also wrong in your assessment of this situation, and in a good lot of other things. That kind of paranoia and control-seeking is laughable; you're an adult. Have an adult discussion -- don't run away from it. It's like plugging your ears and screaming "lalalala" at the top of your lungs.
It's there, on Mano's MySpace blog, that you can assume this high and mighty, self-righteous facade -- one of poorly-attempted subtlety. You had been there, done that with the on-the-boards argumentation, putting down everyone in your path on the way to attention, so now you post comments elsewhere, disguised as sweet banter -- something you share with this actor, when the thin layer of subtlety is easily cracked. It's no more than a cover -- while it may be a comment to Manoel, it's a shoutout to the fans; and it's a hypocritical flaunt of your relationship with him. You say you want it to be private, yet you advertise it. You drop these hints that are supposed to be subtle, about how you've emailed him and how he's taken your advice -- you *want* that to be the truth.
You post a comment in Mano's blog -- a comment on your advice. It's there to prove your relationship, your bond. To wave your proud flag and show all who are reading that he's attentive to you. Isn't that what you've spent your time calling Mano's fans out on? You post a thread asking if you should stage door -- someone told you to stop by and say hi. Flaunted attentiveness, for bragging rights -- but your braggart side is "subtle," of course. You accuse the fans you troll after of wanting a "special" relationship with him. That's just what you're after, too. And further, in that thread, you go on to try to justify why you might or might not do it -- yet another facade for a place where you can create a list of fangirl offenses, and why you would probably rather gouge out your own eyeballs than be associated with such a camp. The bottom line is that you run about these websites making fun of or calling out people who make clear that they have relationships with these actors -- it's rude, or uncalled for, and then you go and do it yourself -- not to mention in a way that will make you feel like the last word, which as we've all well seen, did not work. Your subtlety needs work and your sneakiness needs stealth.
The fans aren't allowed to relay what's been said to them, becuse it's unfair to flaunt the relationship, whatever it may be. Yet it's okay for you to advertise to them that you have told him they're a danger -- and that you feel special because you think he's acknowledged you (when it's not even the truth). You "adoringly" condemn the fans for connecting online, and using the tools at their disposal, for maybe exhanging a little bit of flirtacious language -- as if you think they... we... whatever can't see through you. I hope he sees through you, too.
It's ironic that you have to work so hard to separate yourself; taking such pains, and trying so hard to handle it with the poise age, maturity and all those qualities lacking in any Mano fan but yourself must so deeply lack. You must work so hard, in fact, that you involve Mano -- again, under facade of saving the day, but when you look closely enough, you push to turn him against somethign you deem "dangerous." To be frank, it's almost, oddly, as though you simply want him for yourself, rather than seeking to help him or protect him. it's all done in self-righteous hypocrisy. the 'children' handle themselves with more honesty and sincerity, feeling no need to so disturbingly turn this into a contest, or a chore. it shouldn't be. didn't your own blog, or, rather, didn't you *insist* despite opposition, that your blog was an ode to how "fun" this was? Yet... you've called us out for being possessive, or whatever terminology of your choosing; look at yourself. You are working so hard to dissociate yourself and to prove for your own insecurity-kill that you are not a crazed fangirl; that you don't take ownership and act in a possessive manner -- yet you do. You're responsible and caring, saving him from everyone else. It's always easier to assume that it's everyone else -- it's not you. But you don't just assume; you work hard and take backfiring action.
You say you've been inspired. Be that as it may, you're also so deathly afraid of what you'll be percieved as. If you were truly inspired by the carefree mentality that some people can approach this with, and if you're so secure in the fact that you're different and, shockingly, sane, look at your so-called inspiration and take a lesson from it. do what you want to do. form the relationships you want to form. be grounded in them. didn't you once say yourself that if you were so grounded in your beliefs, you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself? Take your own advice. none of this is intended to say that it's not okay -- it would be ridiculous to call out hypocrisy and then be hypocritical and judgemental ourselves. by working so diligently to avoid becoming that scary thing, and putting down everyone in your path, you look no better -- you don't emerge on top by putting words into an actor's mouth and selfi-righteously claiming hm as your own with acts that would, if mapped out, be like sneaking through the woods in a game of manhunt.
That's unfair to the other people involved, whether or not that's of consequence to you -- but it's also unfair to Mano. It's still, honestly, disgusting that you would bring him into this -- that you're so desperate to appear better, and to make us look stupid. Now that you've laid this in his hands, he has to deal with his fans pitted against one another, and become engaged in the drama -- in hearing from some in one ear and some in the other. It's not his responsibility to have to deal with people defending themselves to him against what other fans might whisper in his ear, or with people feeling like they should have to apologize or clarifty, or to worry about what he might believe from whom. In pushing others into what you *insist* shouldn't be done because you yourself need to do it against your own high and mighty, holier-than-thou advice, you've put him in the middle of a war you've waged to alienate others and quell your own fears. That is nothing but wholly inconsiderate, to all involved parties.
You once told me that if I felt the need to defend myself, that was something I needed to address within -- not by defending myself to others. You don't defend yourself with words, but with ulterior-motivated, easily transparent actions -- actions that speak their own volumes. Take your own advice, oh wise one. Don't try so hard.
#144'Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy....'
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:33pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 09:33 PM
#145"Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy...."
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:34pm
#146'Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy....'
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:45pm
Can't we all just get along?
"I feel god in this chili's..."
#147'Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy....'
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:48pm
Look! Cute picture!
BSoBW2
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/8/04
#148'Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy....'
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:51pmManoel is performing at the Little Fish concert!
#149'Fed up with hypocrisy, emotional bureaucracy....'
Posted: 6/14/06 at 9:52pm
Updated On: 3/25/08 at 09:52 PM
Videos