republican nominee: john "i'm still pretty po'd" mccain- Page 2

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 2:05pm

"Whoever wins the Republican nomination will lose in November.

Nothing any one of this sorry pack can do will inspire the dispirited Republican voters to show up."

Hya... nothing but Hillary Clinton winning the democratic nomination.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 2:08pm

You missed my next sentence:


Not even Rovian campaigning against a "black Muslim" or "lesbian feminazi" Democrat will inspire those formerly Republican voters.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 2:11pm

McCain is too old to have Huckabee as his VP.

I honestly wonder what his relationship with Hagel is...

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 2:33pm

The rovian smear campaign has already begun... put on the table by the Clinton campaign, unfortunately. Come actual election time things will get dirty. Besides, Clinton isn't the candidate moving crossover voters...

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 2:40pm

Right. The exciting thing about the Democratic race is that Obama is inspiring record numbers of young people to vote for the first time and Hillary is inspiring baby-boomer women to return to the polls--an beatable combination.

If the Democratic ticket ends up being Clinton/Obama, we will have 16 uninterrupted years of Democrats in the White House--enough to right all the wrongs of the past 7 years.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 3:40pm

Let's just hope the two of them can put their egos in check to see the wisdom in that.

[roquat]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 4:23pm

Running mates do very little to assure a candidates' success or failure--no one votes for someone hoping they'll die and their VP will take over. The most a well-chosen running mate can do is help to win his/her home state. And I really don't see Obama and Hillary trying to pal up and unite after all this time spent destroying each other.

I HOPE the Republican candidate turns out to be Romney; he's so uninspiring a coat rack could beat him. McCain is the only one of that bunch who doesn't make me want to vomit--his time "undermining basic Republican principles" is just fine by me. If it turns out being a McCain vs. Obama campaign, though, we'll have to sit through five hundred versions of that same "enthusiasm versus experience" debate currently wasting time in the Democratic primaries.

And LePetiteFromage, I'm with you. The two-party system is outdated and counterproductive. It requires everyone to defend indefensible people and actions, just because they're on "our side." Even Limbaugh admitted as much.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 5:00pm

The fact is that Hillary draws an audience that Obama isn't, and vice versa. This isn't an anonymous VP being chosen... it's the union of two powerfully influential candidates. First black/female VP is still history being made, and there are a lot of people who like Obama-mama but don't think he's quite ready for the presidency. What could prepare him better than VP? Also, having Obama on the ticket makes the conciliation to an America that's looking to break up the dynastic hold two families seem to have on the office.

I think Hillary/Obama would be pretty much unbeatable. By herself, I don't know if Hillary could win.

[roquat]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 5:05pm

"What could prepare him more than VP?"

Don't take Cheney as your VP template. Most VPs spend their time in office making toasts and reading off teleprompters.

[LePetiteFromage]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 5:21pm

Updated On: 2/21/09 at 05:21 PM

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 6:26pm

Not true Roquat but I suppose that only proves that the VP is potentially a powerful position.

It's not like there haven't been presidents who did VP first before anyway.

[The Boy From Ohio]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 9:23pm

"I think Hillary/Obama would be pretty much unbeatable. By herself, I don't know if Hillary could win." I agree...

I could see Obama as VP, but don't think Hillary would be a VP esp. to someone "less experienced". If Obama does win, I think Richardson would be a good choice if Hillary declines.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 9:35pm

I think if Obama wins, Edwards is the VP.

[iHeartMyGeek]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 9:41pm

I could never see Hillary taking Obama as her VP. Richardson, most likely. But they're too...different (Clinton and Obama, I mean) to be on a ticket together. I mean, different is usually a good thing, but she's "experience" and he's "change" and they really don't get along at all. Not to mention I thinkit doubles their chance of being unelectable. I agree wtih PJ--if Obama gets the nom, Edwards will probably be VP, and if Clinton gets it I could see Richardson.

[The Boy From Ohio]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 9:47pm

I don't know if he would be VP nom. again. He's made such a big deal of it's all or nothing. Anything can happen. I do hope it is someone that was running, and not some mid-west Gov.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 1/20/08 at 11:31pm

I don't think Obama being an outsider hurts as a vp. In the "change vs experience" argument it really is revolving around the top job.
I am not convinced Hillary would offer (or that Obama would accept) though.
There is a history of contentious elections resulting in "that would never happen" running mates though.
I can't see Edwards wanting (or being asked) to be VP again, especially since he didn't "help" Kerry in the south last time.
Whether it helps or not in reality, they will pick the person as though it does.

I think the best bet for a Hillary VP is Wesley Clark or Richardson. For Obama, again Richardson is a possible one, but I think he will pull in someone "with foreign policy creditials" that I can't think of now.