what happened to Britney?- Page 3

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 8:49pm

"Yeah, but there comes a time when the "I had a bad childhood" excuse doesn't fly. That girl's sole motivation for everything she's been doing is love and attention."

I'd LOVE to see you thrust into the business at an age so young, you didn't have a normal childhood; and I'd like people to start telling you as early as 15, maybe even 11, who you are, who you should be, and who you cannot be when you are at the height of insecurity as most teens and young kids are. All this while people are happily making money off of you and stepping on every little mistake you make. I'd like to see you, by the age of 17, world famous and constantly followed by cameras and scrutinized for your every move and every outfit you wear, meanwhile the people "on your side" are telling you "No, do this, it'll help you." I'd like to see your parents end their marriage because of what's happening in YOUR career, and YOUR life.

And I'd like to see how you deal with it. Then, after you really KNOW what it may have been like for her and how it's affected her, I'd like to hear about how Britney Spears is just an idiot using an excuse.
Updated On: 6/18/06 at 08:49 PM

[Unknown User]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 8:54pm

AMEN BroadwayGirl107!


Thats so true.

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:00pm

Well...there certainly are options. At least, these money making child starts thought so.....


Jodie Foster?
Brooke Shields?
Micket Rooney?
Ron Howard?
That blond kid from SAVED BY THE BELL?
Rick Schroeder?


I mean...come on...she's not the first "child" star to deal with pressure. So, Dano Plato killed herself because Different Strokes thrust her into the limelight too soon and she never recovered? I just don't buy into that "awwww...she had a rough childhood" excuse. It's a bout choices and Brittney has made bad ones. She wants the press to go away? Hmm...then maybe don't do a reality show. Once she broke free of her manager and parents and became a married woman with a child it was her choice to continue to thrust herself into the public eye by making bad choices. Plenty of people have walked in her footsteps, had even more public scrutiny and still managed to conduct themselves with self-respect and dignity. Foster had a man try to kill the president of the united states while she was in college.....I don't see her walking barefoot in public or getting hitched to some white trashed deadbeat.

It all about choices. What bothers me most of all about Britney is that it's always someone else's fault. The Nanny, Kevin, The Press, Her Manager. She's an adult and part of being an adult is making prudent decisions and being accountable.

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:10pm

Right, and Judy Garland had a lifelong struggle because of drugs she was forced to take as a child. It eventually killed her. WHAT an idiot, RIGHT?

You are remarkably arrogant and insensitive. I'd LOVE to see how you'd deal with all that I listed. You can SAY you'd handle it better than she has all you want. But you couldn't possibly know such a thing until you've experienced it. Everybody has points in their life and certain aspects about their life to which they are most vulnerable, and they got Britney when and where it hurts, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Now, I'd like to see how you'd deal with it before you make yourself look more arrogant and insensitive. I don't care about your little list there. I'd say most of them were not made out to be sex symbols AND most of them were not nearly as huge as Britney is/was. And even if they were, just because they were child stars, that doesn't mean they went through the same sort of thing. And people--perfectly respectable human beings--react to certain things differently.

Its so easy to criticize the idiot, right? What does it make you feel better about yourself? At least try to have some sympathy. My God.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:11pm

I feel bad for her. Obviously she's had a LOT to deal with at such a young age. But it's gotten to the point where she just really needs to stop..she's a mess.

She needs to get out of the public eye for her own mental health, and for her children's sake. She's a mother now, and needs to think of their well-being. I think she just needs to get away from it all, and I don't think things will change unless she does.

Once her second child comes, people will be interested in seeing how she handles that one, if she loses the weight, if she stayes with Kevin..etc. I think her best option is just to get away from it all.

[Fiction Writer]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:15pm

Can't she move back to the barn in LA? Just kidding. Is it sad that I learned about the Jodie Foster/John Hinkley thing from ASSASSINS?

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:19pm

Right, and Judy Garland had a lifelong struggle because of drugs she was forced to take as a child. It eventually killed her. WHAT an idiot, RIGHT?

You can't be serious. Judy Garland was an addict who denied she was an addict and that's what killed her. She was more interested in wallowing and feeling sorry for herself than taking care of her own children. She was another one who blamed everyone for her problems. Sid Luft, Vincent, her parents, Warner Brothers.....she was a martyr til the end.


I'd LOVE to see how you'd deal with all that I listed. You can SAY you'd handle it better than she has all you want. But you couldn't possibly know such a thing until you've experienced it. Everybody has points in their life and certain aspects about their life to which they are most vulnerable, and they got Britney when and where it hurts, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Sweetheart, unless you know everything about me, you have no idea what I can and can't speak about and what I can understand and what I can't.

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:23pm

....EXACTLY. You HAVEN'T lived her life. You DON'T know everything about her. You don't KNOW her; you probably don't know the people she's lived with and worked with. Who do you think you are to judge?

Get over yourself.
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[Fiction Writer]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:29pm

I don't think she's judging anyone. And who are, Ms Thang? You sound like you're the one who's lived her life. Unless you're some famous child star, and I'm sure famous child stars have more time on their hands than BWW, you need to stop defending them.

[BroomstickBoy]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:30pm

I was waiting for that obligatory "Well if you were in her shoes" kind of argument.

She's the one who wanted this. She got herself into it and now she's paying for it , but that doesn't mean there's no hope for her. I believe she can get herself out of it with the right push.

Regardless of how much she whines and cries about the attention I do think she needs to disappear for a while. I too wish people would just leave her alone but it's just typical of the papparazzi+celebrity war. It's endless.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:31pm

Perhaps this is slightly naive, but in light of this idea of her being thrust into this world, and known worldwide by the age of 17, etc -- I'm not going to say I know anything I don't, because what's that worth? But, I do have to wonder if it was truly forced -- logically, couldn't she have gotten out if it was really *that* bad? I suppose it could be worse in retrospect, for her to look back on it now, than it was at the time she was actually going through it, but... I don't know. Yes, I agree with the defense that you can only criticize these people *so much* on the grounds that you have not lived her life, but saying she was forced into this is a bit too protective, IMO. I just don't know how fair it is to assume she's not responsible for her downfalls, at least in some capacity; there's got to be middle ground between "she's a total idiot using an excuse" and "she's had a miserable life, let her off the hook." I think she should be held *at least* partially accountable for her actions, because the life of a celebrity is what she has chosen, while still keeping in mind that not everything was in her control, simply because of the way that industry operates, which... is no secret, really.

Argh. I'm not sure that came out right.

Updated On: 6/18/06 at 09:31 PM

[colleen_lee]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:35pm

Good lord, get off the box for Brit. You know the girl no better than Moxie does.

The bottom line is, the girl is making stupid choice after stupid choice. And for anyone to legitimize that by saying she had "a hard life" (and I'm sorry, a hard life? A hard life is dying from AIDS in Africa, a hard life is living in refuge after the near genocide of your people. She is a f*cking POP STAR for Christsake!) is completely ridiculous. She is an adult, who is conceivably of sound mind, and it's about time she start making the decisions that are right for HERSELF and HER CHILDREN. Being a crazy press whore? Peobably not the best decision. Marrying/getting knocked up by a deadbeat with two children whose life he is barely a part of (and then popping out another kid with him, ADMITTEDLY to try and "save the relationship")? Not a good choice.

She has made lots and lots of bad decisions as of late and now she is paying for them, and will probably continue to pay for a long time.

And if she truly wanted people to get out of her life, she would not have sat down with Matt Lauer this past week.

Updated On: 6/18/06 at 09:35 PM

[Fiction Writer]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:35pm

All she has to do is move out of the LA/Berverly Hills/Hollywood. But then she won't get any publicity, and we'll forget about her. NO! DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN!

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 9:57pm

Well, yeah, we all make dumbass choices, but we're not all making them in front of the world. Honestly, I think people in the public eye not only need to take a suitable amount of responsibility for their actions, but they need to act while holding in mind that the entire world is going to hear about what you do, what you choose, etc. Be responsible, and know what's going to happen -- by this stage in her career, Britney should be well aware of the way the press reacts to her and how popular she is, and I think she should probably at least put in the effort to make smart decisions, if she knows the world is watching. Do things that are going to reflect positively on you if you know that you entire *life* is a form of publicity.

I saw part of the recent interview, and I suppose she has begun to learn from it all, but... it's probably too late.

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:03pm

"I'm not saying that because she's had it "tough" she shouldn't be held accountable in some way. What I'm saying is that it's much more deeply rooted than someone who should know better being a jerk for the sake of it."

But...you are kind of saying that. That's been you're whole argument with me. I said she should be accountable, you kept sayign she's had a tough life. Welll...yeah...okay...Ted Bundy's mother was some kind of hooker. He went and killed women that reminded him of his mother. Is his Mom to blame or is he just a sociopath? There has to come a point in someone's life where they become responsible for their own decisions.

Even when she did that Esquire shoot...the picture that starts this thread...she blamed Red Bull. Oh, I had too many Red Bull and I bared my ass. Oh, those people at W magazine were so tricky with their questions...they wanted me to talk about losing my virginity to Justin. No honey, YOU wanted to talk about it. There is such a thing as "no comment."

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:04pm

Exactly, she's been in the public eye for YEARS. She should know by now how much of a reaction she gets from people (walking with no shoes, Madonna kiss, Justin break-up, etc). If she doesn't want to be a part of it anymore..then she should make the choices necessary to make this happen. Going on Matt Lauer--though maybe to clear things up-- is only putting more publicity on her. She needs to make smarter choices. She's an adult.

ETA: edited for spelling
Updated On: 6/18/06 at 10:04 PM

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:15pm

No, you're being a lot more arrogant, condescending and downright cold about it.

"Oh, those people at W magazine were so tricky with their questions...they wanted me to talk about losing my virginity to Justin."
As much as she MAY have "wanted" to talk about it, you've GOT to know that journalists can be tricky in making the person feel JUST comfortable enough to let out a little something they maybe shouldn't have or didn't go in there with the intention of saying. In fact, it's their GOAL most of the time.

Emcee, again you're right. I think what I'm saying is that when she was young and starting her career she was told what the "best" things to say and do would be, and since hasn't really been able to find that sense of responsibility. I think putting her career on hold is an attempt to try to find that, and I wish she would.

All I'm saying is I can't be cold or judgemental about it because I think there's a sort of vicious cycle going on that's REALLY not helping. If people just left her alone for a while and didn't jump at everything she says and does, maybe she'd be able to get a grip on things.

I know. What a concept, right?
Updated On: 6/18/06 at 10:15 PM

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:19pm

"No, you're being a lot more arrogant, condescending and downright cold about it. "

No dear...that's called "disagreeing with you while stating an opinion." I'd love to dot all my i's with hearts but this board doesn't allow for it.

Seriously, let's dial down the drama a wee bit, hmm?


"If people just left her alone for a while and didn't jump at everything she says and does, maybe she'd be able to get a grip on things. "

Or...and I realize this is a novel concept...she could just shut up, stay home, not drive with her baby in her lap, not walk around with her baby in one hand, a glass in the other while wearing high heels and pants that drag on the floor. That would mean she would have to make a conscious effort not to do something stupid.

Is that all due to her rough childhood, too?
Updated On: 6/18/06 at 10:19 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:19pm

If people just left her alone for a while and didn't jump at everything she says and does, maybe she'd be able to get a grip on things.

You might be right, but that's terribly idealistic; people want to feed this vicious cycle.

The part of the interview I did see seemed to indicate that she *was* going to take a break from her career for a while, in that she was putting her music on hold. But, then again, it's been on hold for a while now, I guess, and that hasn't helped, because even if she's not touring/making videos/recording CD's, her celebrity status doesn't drop. That doesn't stop pop culture's fascination with her, and paparazzi from wanting to document her every move. I mean, is there a concievable way for her to get out of that? I'm not sure there is.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:24pm

I feel that the paparazzi don't care if the celebrity has done anything remotely recent. All the paparazzi cares about is the cold hard money. If the cold hard money means targeting Britney Spears who hasn't done much since 2004, then so be it. But thats pretty much all they care about it the money they get.

As for Britney, my opinon has changed since my last post on why she's turning into a train wreck- I feel, she should take a step back and look at what she's accomplished and then look ahead to post-baby number two- I have heard she's been working on a new album (of course that was pre-baby number two) but once baby number two is born- whose to say she wouldn't start right up with album number 5 (I don't count the greatest hits album or remix album as true "albums") I feel, that people, shouldn't judge people, till they have walked a mile in their shoes, so unless you're a secret pop star posting on this board, i feel you can't judge. Althought BroadwayGirl has the idea down pat.

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:29pm

MOXIE, yeah, I'm just being dramatic. It couldn't possibly be all the "Dears," "Sweethearts," "Honeys," and you saying things like "stupid ****," or claiming that you KNOW her motivation for eveything--"That girl's sole motivation for everything she's been doing is love and attention." No. Such things couldn't have possibly given me the impression that you're being condescending, arrogant, and cold. Not a chance.

Emcee, I know. It IS idealistic to think that people would just let it be...like you said, she's had her career on hold and they still haven't stopped, and so the vicious cycle keeps on going. Personally, I think it's a shame. For her and her kids.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:30pm

Oh God, those poor, poor children.

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:46pm

Indeed.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 6/18/06 at 10:52pm

Yeah, those kids are gonna be targets way into their teens.