what's wrong with kristin?

[442namffug]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 6:36pm

Hey...i haven't read any of the threads that are "anti-Kristin" but I am getting the picture that people have problems with her? Just for my own knowledge (because I've missed out on the updates) what is she doing that seems to be getting people upset/disgusted/weirded out or whatever? thanks!

[442namffug]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 6:39pm

anyone?

[diana rigg]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 6:41pm

Concern was expressed over reports that a) she was singing at George W. Bush's innauguaral celebration and b) she was going on the 700 Club to promote her CD. Many, including myself, felt that as a member of the theater community, she was being disloyal to the many gay people she works with and who feel very much demonized by Bush and Pat Robertson, among others on the "religious" right.

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 6:57pm

Exactly, she lost me after that. Her poor attendance record in Wicked, mostly I hear to go on auditions, doesn’t help matters. I cannot support a performer who has such a large gay fan base but shows such utter disregard for that fan base by participating in organizations and political events that think her fan base is not a valid part of society. I seriously cannot listen to her or enjoy her anymore. She is a talent, but I think she is leaving people at the wayside in favor of fame.

[Feathah]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:01pm

As far as I know she is Republican so singing at the Bush inaugural (spell?) would make sense. And her new album is a gospel album Like it or not, the 700 Club is one of the largest Christian TV programs. Any publicist would book her on it.

And was her attendence in Wicked really so atrocious? I don't recall her being out very much.

Don't get me wrong - I can't stand Bush and I'm not a big fan of the 700 Club either. But the choices she made still seem to make sense to me.

[hellacoolmichael]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:03pm

I believe I've missed whatever happened.

But just because she performed at Bush's innaguration doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy her. I don't like Bush myself but I'm not complaining about it, and saying she's a terrible person. It's not a disgrace to the gay community.

So chill.

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:07pm

BobbyBubby, she did NOT perform at Bush's inauguration. Not has she ever even hinted at being anti-gay, to my knowledge. An anti-gay person wouldn't say "The world is a better place because Rosie O'Donnell." And so what if she appeared on 700 Club? She was promoting a CD! It's called MONEY AND PUBLICITY! Just because she appeared on that show doesn't mean she agrees with everything they say. She recently taped an appearance on Carson Daly's show. Does that mean she automatically agrees with everything he says? Of course not. Not all Christians are anti-gay. All of you who are boycotting her are being just as hateful as people like Bush.
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[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:09pm

Well, this is a tough debate that I can't really invest in totally right now but- - - I think she is a hypocrite, with a chip on her shoulder. Again, it just strikes me as two faced in a way. Since the election was so heated in terms of opinions on homosexuality, it seems very sad to me that she would allow herself to be part of things that in no way support or care about the people who buy her albums and see her shows. Just a thought. Love the sinner-hate the sin, seems to be her take on things, and I can never accept that mentality. Period.

I don't know if you guys are gay or not, but to love someone's music and art, and then see them participate with parties that think you are an invalid human being, is a alienating thing. I really think that the more people try to balance between the two worlds, there will never be any progress for the gay community.

For example, Barbra has a strong gay fan base. And she is Democratic, and supports gay rights. Imagine if one day, she said "I'll go on the 700 club to promote my album, no big deal". What then?

I'm rambling, but point blank, whether she intended to or not, she rocked a lot of boats with her recent actions.

[LouW95]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:11pm

This is not about Bush or tolerating a different opinion. Last week, Kristin chose to plug her album on a show hosted by the most vicious homophobe - Pat Robertson. He is an on-going source of hatred against gay people and raises millions of dollars through that TV show to fan the fires. Kristin should have used better sense. Many of us will never forgive Kathie Lee for her on-going support (to this very day)of Anita Bryant. No one is faulting Kristin for her Christian beliefs or CD. The problem is simply her poor choice of a vehicle to promote it.

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[staticradar]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:14pm

My main problem is I don't enjoy her performances. She's very one dimentional, all her roles are exactly the same.

[Elphaba3]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:15pm

Pat Robertson is an idiot. I think we all agree on that. But she wasn't interviwed by him. Maybe it was a stupid choice on her part. But she's human and she makes mistakes. For the record, I'm a bisexual Jewish woman.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:17pm

Well said, BobbyBubby amd LouW. Exactly.

[LouW95]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:25pm

The bottom line is that she made a bad choice when there are so many les offensive places to promote. A statement disavowing herself from the 700 Club rhetoric would be helpful and so might a better manager

[paradox_error]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 7:51pm

"Hey...i haven't read any of the threads that are "anti-Kristin"..."

Well perhaps you should, before starting yet another thread about it...

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 8:27pm

Let's make this crystal-clear: The 700 Club dehumanizes and demonizes lesbians and gay men and, in doing so, fosters a culture of violence against them.

(If you want evidence, go to my post on the thread on the Off Topic Board.)

That's what this is about: an appearance on a show that dehumanizes and demonizes lesbians and gay men and, in doing so, fosters a culture of violence against them.

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 8:32pm

ok, Ill say this:


I'm sure you all know I love Kristin, and although I still hold true to the fact that she wouldnt have done this to offend any of her fans purposely, I will agree that it was a careless move, be it her fault or her manager's, to do this show and offend any fans.


But please, must this errupt into another trillion-post topic?

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[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 8:42pm

Sally, "careless" implies it was an accident, that she didn't know the ramifications in advance. As has been pointed out by others, that just doesn't wash.

Her handling of her career has been strategic, more successful in moving into other media than almost any Broadway star in recent memory.

Her savvy management team could NOT have been UNAWARE of the homophobia of Pat Robertson--it's something Robertson is proud of. It's discussed on the show and on Robertson's appearances on CNN, Fox News and CNBC.

Kristin's team made a strategic decision to appeal to the viewers of the 700 Club--viewers who may or may not ascribe to Robertson's homophobia--and in doing so sacrifice the handful of gay fans who might be offended.

It was a choice on her part, not an accident.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 9:46pm

Last time I checked most people were fans of singers because of the singer's talent(voice, acting, etc.), not for their politics and personal life. Get a life.

[ConvinceMe2]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 10:15pm

She's a whore, like Jane Fonda. She'll do and say anything to sell her CD, just like Jane will do and say anything to sell her book. Two whores.

[babygiraffeboots]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 10:25pm

Isn't a big part of the theatre community being free and open about different choices? Why do so many people bash a theatre person is they are republican and say they are being disloyal, I find it ridiculous and immature.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 10:27pm

you would think people would do that babygiraffe. Unfortunately that's not the case, especially on this board.

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 10:32pm

I'm not touching the 700 Club subject with a 10 foot-pole because I already said what I had to say about it in the massive thread about it.

However, Kristin was never scheduled to appear at the Bush Inauguration. She was going to perform at a benefit before the Inauguration that was hosted by both Republicans and Democrats. However, she pulled out due to scheduling conflicts.

Updated On: 4/7/05 at 10:32 PM

[Plum]

Posted: 4/7/05 at 10:53pm

Yes, she appeared on The 700 Club, and I'm not going to make excuses and say it was a mistake or an accident. She went there to sell her Christian music CD and I'm sure she knew exactly what she was doing.

But doesn't the fact that she also went on The West Wing, that bastion of TV liberalism, screw up all our nice simplistic arguments? That show is at least as overtly political as The 700 Club can ever claim to be.

Oh dear. It looks like Ms. Chenoweth, like a surprising number of human beings, can't be easily labelled. Whatever shall we do? Think of her as a complex human being, perhaps? Heaven forbid. It's so much easier to go on a witch hunt.
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[Marquise]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 1:18am

MAN I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE ARE STARTING THIS BULLSH!T AGAIN!!!

[Peter]

Posted: 4/8/05 at 3:55am

I think this is an important discussion and if you look at the larger picture, I believe it honestly reflects the sad state of society in 2005. Gays protest against hate and then are labeled hateful, intolerant and anti-Christian for defending themselves, and not always turning the other cheek. How dare they!!! Don't they know they have to not stir things up..just remain complacent? It's no surprise that many believe the last election was won because the gay right wing organized themselves as a reaction to the gay marriage issue.

With the exception of ONE poster in this thread in fact, noone has said anything "hateful" against Kristin or Christianity. The fact remains that she participated in a show that blames gays for 9/11 and the downfall of society, among other things. Forget about equal rights, you don't have to read too much into Robertsons words to see that he wishes us dead. Apparently that doesn't matter at all..those hateful, intolerant gays are the anti-Christ!

Some people here actually believe that maybe she didn't know about what the show stands for. I really really really doubt it. Chenoweth is an intelligent devout Christian and I have a hard time believing she doesn't know who Pat Robertson is. Also, isn't it a little too coincidental that all of Kristin's tv appearances are listed on her website, but for some reason this one appearance was omitted???

It seems very obvious to me that Kristin was well aware that she would lose some of her gay fans, but she would stand to gain far more fans by appearing on the show. So she really doesn't care as long as she sells more records. Why is it so hard to understand how a gay fan would be disturbed by this?

And sorry Plum, but your comparison of the 700 club to the West Wing is beyond ludicrous to me. One show actively promotes the most vile form of hate ..the other doesn't.