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#1

A Doll's Life

After listening to the recording (I found it at the Lincoln Center library somehow!), I've fallen in love with the score.

Anyone see this? Why did it flop?
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#2

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The book. Exploring Nora's life after she left Torvald was just a BAD IDEA.
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#3

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I knew you'd respond, Margo, my love.

It's such a shame. I'm not crazy, am I? The score is stunning.
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#4

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I saw the show on Broadway (about a million years ago!) and Margo is completely correct. The score is absolutely gorgeous and Betsy Joslyn was dazzling, but the book is very muddled and underwritten.
#5

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So sad. The overture alone deserves a performance.
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#6

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LOKI AND BALDOOOOOOOOOOR! BALDOR AND LOKIIIIIII!
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#7

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I saw this when they revived it at the York, I loved my old cassette of the show! The book was revised, but it was still pretty bad. And I think there was only a piano...but the arrangements were horrible. I was very disappointed.
#8

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Actually, the York revival started previews with a six piece orchestration, but it proved to be too overwhelming in that space. So, it was reduced to two pianos. Comden, Green and Grossman did add a lovely song though in Act Two, called "Can't You Hear I'm Making Love To You".
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#9

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Thanks...I thought I only remembered a piano or I guess, pianos. I wish they would have had more instruments. That made the recording so outstanding was the orchestral arrangements. Sadly, I don't remember the new song either. The only memory I have in my head is the "Jailer, Jailer" sequence...The costumes during this sequence were strange if my memory is right.

Updated On: 8/2/05 at 08:58 PM

#10

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I saw the show on Broadway and both Betsy Joslyn and George Hearn were excellent. But the show was a snooze. A big disappointment from Hal Prince.
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#11

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I also saw the show on Broadway many years ago and it was just an absolute mess.
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#12

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It's such a shame because this score is so heart-stoppingly beautiful. Do you know if there is a libretto or score/selections in print?
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#13

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Samuel French publishes the libretto.
#14

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I’m seeing a lot of responses that A Doll’s Life was a “mess”. I don’t think that was the problem at all. Apart from a fussy device used at the beginning, where actors are rehearsing A Doll’s House and the actress playing Nora becomes Nora, A Doll’s Life was otherwise pretty straightforward, intelligent and not hard to follow, with many lovely songs. There was some derivative staging (the trademark Hal Prince bridge from Sweeney and Evita, and a waltzing couple drifting in from Follies). But I think Doll’s Life had several other intrinsic problems that had nothing to do with what was onstage.

1). Nora slamming the door in A Doll’s House is complete in and of itself. The ambiguity of what happens on the other side of the door for Nora is the essence of what you are left with. Answering that question with A Doll’s Life was an unnecessary proposition to begin with.

2) Comden and Green were known for comedy, and A Doll’s Life was somewhat deadly serious (apart from the opera sequence, and all of those “It’s so Norwegian!” jokes). I think the show was bound for failure because of critical and audience perceptions of Comden and Green and the type of show they write. The tone and earnestness of A Doll’s Life was not what people expected of them, and the reviews were out of proportion with the general quality of their work.

3) That serious, somber tone of Doll’s Life was another problem. Ibsen can be sometimes uproariously funny, but Doll’s Life carried its “importance” on its sleeve, and was a little too stolid and dull for its own good.

4) The show tried out in L.A., earning terrible reviews, before limping into New York. L.A., never much of a theatre town, was probably the wrong choice for a tryout. In Boston, Toronto or Washington, it might have received less damaging notices. With the imprimatur of failure firmly stamped on it from L.A., the New York critics came prepared for turkey, and never gave the show any credit for its ambitions and much of the beauty of the score.



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Updated On: 8/3/05 at 12:27 PM

#15

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I really love the score to this show. Do you think it would do well in concert form?
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#16

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It could probably make a good concert, and it would be nice to hear those orchestrations again. Unlike other flops though, there doesn't seem to be a sizable cult for A Doll's Life, so I don't think anyone will be jumping to produce a concert version.
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#17

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Love this score, too...but am not sure it would be good in concert form. It is always evident at Encores! where things went wrong with some shows because they go thru the book as well. Still, I'd be in the crowd!
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#18

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Magruder...your opinions on A DOLL'S LIFE sound strangely similar to Ken Mandelbaum's in "Not Since Carrie."

Try forming your own opinions instead of parroting those of others, okay?
#19

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It's actually quite my own opinion, since I saw Doll's Life and also worked on a revival of it. Though I do agree with a lot of what Mandelbaum has to say about its flaws.
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#20

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The original production was sadly pretentious. Betsy Joslyn was a paper-think Nora and George Hearn was an empty stentorian noise.

The show made Comden and Green and Prince seem like lightweights attempting to be "profound." I felt icky leaving the theater.

I'm surprised to hear the score stands up. The whole event was one of the most embarassing things I've eever seen in the theater.
#21

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Not all of it does. The chorus admonishments to Nora are ridiculous as ever. But there are great items like "You Interest Me," "Stay With Me Nora," "Learn To Be Lonely," "There She Is," "Power"...

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Updated On: 8/3/05 at 02:30 PM

#22

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It's so interesting to hear everyone's oppinions. I think that "Letter To The Children" is an amazing song and wish that one of Broadway's leading ladies would record it.
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#23

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I love "Letter to the Children" "Rats and Mice" and so much of this score...but the story sounds ridiculous.

I was defending Betsy Joslyn as Johanna yesterday...I loved her on tour w/ George and Angie...thought she was charming and funny. Her soprano is quirky, but seems to work with her. Never saw her in this, tho. Paper thin, eh?


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#24

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I don't recall what the New York critics said when this show opened. I remember seeing it and thinking "what a mess". I don't know what was done in revivals or what happened in previews. I remember going to see this production, as a student in acting school, and coming out saying what the hell was that? I enjoyed some of the music but the story and the direction, IMO, was all over the place.
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#25

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I've always liked the score. I saw the show pre Broadway when it tried out in L.A. twice....once in the very first week and then at its last performance to see the changes. The problem with the show was it needed work badly and over a very long period (almost all of July and August) NOTHING was dramatically changed. Except for tinkering with the beginning and ending where all the principles are playing the part of actors in a class preparing to put on Ibsen's "A Doll's House" (which didn't work before or after the changes) and entirely dropping a segment in the beginning of the first act where Nora after leaving home takes a job as a waitress and fails miserably, NO changes were made except a little minor trimming. In fact it was said Prince left the country on vacation during most of August. Betsy Joslyn as Nora was fine. She sang beautifully, was attractive and had no problems with acting the role (although at the time it was rumored that Patty Lupone was gearing up to replace her which wouldn't have made a difference in its success).It was the book and mostly the direction...very muddled as someone else stated. I also HATED the lighting which was very dark and somber throughout the entire show. In fact I remember a part in the beginning of the second act where after a successful night, Nora awakes in bed and the maid asks if she can open the drapes. I thought to myself, "YIPEE!FINALLY SOME LIGHT ON THE STAGE" but Nora replies, "No leave them closed, I still want to savor the night" and launches into "No More Mornings". Not a terrible show yet it just didn't work. Both times, Comden and Green sat nearby diligently taking notes. Neither time did I see Prince. Even after the poor L.A. reviews, he seems to have felt that with minimal changes the show was ready for Broadway. It wasn't and it was a shame for all concerned.

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