Ages of "Rent" cast....- Page 2

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:01pm

Sidney, I still don't understand the point of this thread. Obviously, most people can accept the Grease cast being older easier than they can accept the Rent cast. Perhaps you should explore why that it is, even if you don't agree. It might make for an interesting discussion.

If you'd rather just refute everyone's statements without having a shred of credibility to what you're saying, feel free. It's your business.

[Kevo711]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:02pm

Haha! I LOVE EMCEE!

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:04pm

And I ruv you.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:16pm

For Stage Addict -

The dictionary defines camp as, " n. 1.An affectation or appreciation of manners and tastes commonly thought to be artificial, vulgar, or banal.
2.Banality, vulgarity, or artificiality when deliberately affected or when appreciated for its humor: 'Camp is popularity plus vulgarity plus innocence”'(Indra Jahalani).

adj.
Having deliberately artificial, vulgar, banal, or affectedly humorous qualities or style: played up the silliness of their roles for camp effect. "

See also Sontag, Susan - "Notes on Camp." "A sensibility that revels in artifice, stylization, theatricalization, irony, playfulness, and exaggeration rather than content."

While not strictly limited to the gays, there is a distinctly gay sensibility to much camp.



Susan Sontag - "Notes on Camp"

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[sidneybruhl]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:36pm

"most people"=Kringas and luvtheEmcee

[dreaminaret]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:38pm

not that this is the most appropriate place to put it in, but honestly, i don't understand exactly why everyone is sooooo frickin' hung up on the ages of them. nowadays, everyone in the OC who should be teens are played by those in their mid-20s. most tv/film actors play parts much younger than their actual age (with the exception of scarlett johansson who somehow manages to pull off parts where the character is older than her)

in my opinion, some of the actors (tracie thoms, rosario dawson BUT ALSO anthony rapp, adam pascal, wilson jermaine heredia, taye diggs) look like people who go to my school. the role of collins always struck me as the "wise patriarch" sort of role so i have no issue with him (or idina menzel for that matter) looking a little older than 23. on top of that, at no point in the movie do they say how old these characters are and i think it would be totally okay if the characters were in their "late 20s/30s". if we want to bring this back to a play like grease, those people were SUPPOSED to be high schoolers. there is no such age restriction made explicit in RENT... with the exception of Mimi though Rosario is now the same age that Daphne Rubin-Vega was when she was on B'way in the role (right?).

why do we have to keep harping on the movie? i've never heard of people so nitpicky about anything that's hit the screen... though it may be a result of all those on BWW just being really passionate about it.

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[ljay889]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:39pm

Grease was meant to be a SATIRE on High School life/students.

The cast being older is the whole point - it's a satire.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:41pm

Perhaps we should take a poll.

[sidneybruhl]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:45pm

The film version of "Grease" was not meant to be satire, parody, or camp...they were just trying to adapt a musical play into a film....our perspective on it has made it satire, parody, or camp.
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[zzprincesskatt]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:46pm

This has been discussed to death over the past few months. The only one with a specific age is Mimi. The rest of the cast does not look that old. Honestly, people just find the littlest things to nitpick. Why does it matter? If you don't like the way the actors look, don't watch the movie.

And dreaminaret is correct. Bejamin Mackenzie plays a high school student in the OC and he is either 26 or 27. People play characters younger than themselves all the time.

[sweetestsiren]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:46pm

So, let me get this straight. You think that Grease is supposed to be an honest, completely non-satirical look at '50s high school life?

[Marquise]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:47pm

To whoever started this thread (I didn't bother looking at the screen name):

SHUT! UP!

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:48pm

*laughs*

[ihearttheatre]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:49pm

oh my goodness. *rolls eyes*

[Marquise]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:51pm

don't roll 'em too hard hun they may just stay stuck that way. then what will you do?
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[Kringas]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:52pm

Sidney, you've started this thread and contributed nothing to it. If you really believe that Em and I are the only people in the world who appreciate the camp aspect of Grease, or rather that she and I are the only ones who attribute a camp sensibility to it, so be it.

And, by the way, what I said was "most people can accept the Grease cast being older easier than they can accept the Rent cast. Perhaps you should explore why that it is, even if you don't agree. It might make for an interesting discussion." You obviously have no desire to have an actual discussion. Your debate tactics are almost as well formed as Mr. Roxy's. Ostensibly you should have a handle on critical thinking and cognitive thought. I think you are deliberately being obtuse, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Besides, I don't think Em is someone who was necessarily bothered by the age issue in Rent, so she and I shouldn't even be lumped together there.

[ljay889]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:52pm

This poster is ridiculous.

How could someone not notice Grease (the stage show & movie) is a satirical look at 50's high school life?

[greenegirl87]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:52pm

marquise..your posts are always my favorites

[sidneybruhl]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:52pm

Marquise:

Why don't you "Shut up?"

How rude can one person get?

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:53pm

The film version of "Grease" was not meant to be satire, parody, or camp...they were just trying to adapt a musical play into a film....our perspective on it has made it satire, parody, or camp.

Honey, the stage version was a satire. Hmmm, perhaps pastiche is a better word, but you get the drift.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:54pm

I am so not bothered by the age issue. And I kicked and screamed about the casting for MONTHS.

[Marquise]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:54pm

you call that rude? you ain't seen nothing yet babycakes.
and for the record ON-J was a very young 29 when she filmed GREASE. She turned thirty when the film was actually released.

[neocomposer]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:56pm

Think of it this way, you know how sometimes a sitcom can have serious moments, but mostly you are supposed to laugh. Like if someone on Will and Grace lost a relative it would get slightly serious but it would still be altogether NOT very serious and extremely light. That is Grease. Sure its kind of sad that Rizzo might be pregnant, and the relationsips get sticky...but that isnt what its all about. Call it camp, call it whatever. But I have to agree that it is campy.

Rent is more like a drama with some funny moments. Like lets say a show like ER( i have a feeling this is a terrible example). There might be a few snicker moments, but its generally serious. That is closer to Rent.

I know the analogies aren't flawless, but they make sense to me.

[Marquise]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:57pm

so yeah, acoording to sidneywhatshisface GREASE was supposed to be a serious look at high school life in the 1950s via words and music. after all why would the adapters of the broadway show opt to send our hero and heroine off in a flying car a la Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I mean, didn't they have flying cars back in the 1950s?

[sidneybruhl]

Posted: 1/4/06 at 10:59pm

Actually honey (Kringas), I don't get your "drift." You just love the sound of your own voice...