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Which show do you think should have won best musical this year?

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

Updated On: 7/13/05 at 02:57 PM

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EDIT: oohhh sorry, read it wrong.
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Updated On: 7/13/05 at 03:00 PM

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It's quite simple...
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#5

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Please allow me to throw up. I hope to God you're being sarcastic.
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Brooklyn for best musical like that will ever happen

Updated On: 7/13/05 at 04:23 PM

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Sorry, forgot to turn on my sarcasm device.
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I agree, I'm with DRS too. I love that show so much!
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spelling bee
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#10

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I am going for "Spelling Bee" myself.
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definitely piazza!!!

it is about time that a 'serious' musical was given the recognition it deserves to win. the show is relatively faultless, not to mention the fact that it is a completely ORIGINAL idea. spamalot is a mere grouping together of already existing characters and jokes and adding some flash and harmonies. this is an easy way to get audience response if you ask me. spamalot is just like av. Q in terms of its humour, although obviously it's less political etc. but the humour theme remains the same and the songs are shoddy and see through musically.

piazza piazza piazza!! serious and original!
"...But Kungurtseva reels off multiple fouettes and the tape is stopped so she can take a bow. The Jester, an abomination introduced to Swan Lake in Soviet times, extorts applause from the audience. The cuts don't help the storytelling, the production is bare bones and they go for the '50s-style happy ending. The audience cheers like mad at the end. It's the Russian ballet, after all..."
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stage_door76...

I agree with you about PIAZZA. It should have won the Tony. (My second choice is DRS.)

However, while you state that SPAMALOT is based on previously created characters and story lines, with music thrown in -- so is PIAZZA. It is based on a novel. Someone else created these terrific characters and storyline -- not Adam Guettel and his co-creators.

It's odd that the four best musical Tony nominees were all based on something else, and that, while they're all strong (and all enjoyable), not one of them -- with the possible exception of SPELLING BEE -- was made up out of the blue. (The SPELLING BEE writers used the documentary "Spellbound" and other materials when creating that show -- but at least created new characters.) Unfortunately, I felt SPELLING BEE was the weakest of the four nominees -- due chiefly to its score.

Last year, with AVENUE Q winning the Tony, I was thrilled that a completely original show took the prize. It wasn't based on any previous story lines or characters. Granted, there was a hint of "Sesame Street," (as in this year with SPELLING BEE hinting of "Spellbound") but it was completely original from start to finish, unlike WICKED that was based on the novel. (And to be honest, the book for the musical was a lot better than the novel.)

Let's hope that next year we get some "original" creations! Wouldn't it be nice to have dual categories for writing, like they do on the Oscars? "Best Adapted Musical" and "Best Original Musical"? If only we had enough shows in NY to be able to fill the nominations in two categories? We can dream, can't we?


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scooter38432

i do agree with you competely, although piazza's humble beginnings from a page of fiction are much, much smaller then spamalot's previsouly existing multi-million $$ empire and reputation.

i crave original creations!!!!!!!!!!
"...But Kungurtseva reels off multiple fouettes and the tape is stopped so she can take a bow. The Jester, an abomination introduced to Swan Lake in Soviet times, extorts applause from the audience. The cuts don't help the storytelling, the production is bare bones and they go for the '50s-style happy ending. The audience cheers like mad at the end. It's the Russian ballet, after all..."
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I adore Piazza, I simply think it's beautiful. But what keeps getting to me is that one scene, you guys know which one I'm talking about, where Fabrizzio's mother breaks the fourth wall and dumbs down the entire show for an audience that up until that point was under the impression that this show had been showing them respect for being smart. That one part dismantles every part of the show when Fabrizzio's family are only speaking Italian. It plays beautifully everywhere else, the audience plays along because of the beauty of the language and the non-verbal messages they give. But by keeping that part in, they completely destroy much of the beauty they have created. So for that reason, I think Piazza deserves the 3 design awards, score, orchestrations, and Victoria, PLUS Tonys for Kelli and Matthew, but NOT Best Musical. Spamalot is junk. I think Spelling Bee was the best executed musical in and of itself, so I think it deserved Best Musical.
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Wanna Be A Foster ,

what makes spelling bee so well executed that you think it deserved the best musical gong at the tonys?

it's quite funny, though not as funny as av q in my opinion and the characterisation is good, but i don't see what was so well executed about it. what did i miss??
"...But Kungurtseva reels off multiple fouettes and the tape is stopped so she can take a bow. The Jester, an abomination introduced to Swan Lake in Soviet times, extorts applause from the audience. The cuts don't help the storytelling, the production is bare bones and they go for the '50s-style happy ending. The audience cheers like mad at the end. It's the Russian ballet, after all..."
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I don't think Spelling Bee is perfect, but I think it is the best executed musical of the four nominees. There are no blatantly damaging flaws like the one I mentioned in Piazza.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
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I think Spelling Bee should've won.
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and why do you think that one song?
"...But Kungurtseva reels off multiple fouettes and the tape is stopped so she can take a bow. The Jester, an abomination introduced to Swan Lake in Soviet times, extorts applause from the audience. The cuts don't help the storytelling, the production is bare bones and they go for the '50s-style happy ending. The audience cheers like mad at the end. It's the Russian ballet, after all..."
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I think the show that won Best Musical, deserved Best Musical. We can go on debating it forever...but the results will never change. SPAMALOT is a show with a great book, great music, and a great cast. It's executed wonderfully and took the award for a reason. Now, don't think I'm saying that the other shows were bad...I think they're all wonderful shows. They all have their own positive attributes. If anything, I'd say PIAZZA swept the awards this year, but there's a reason that it didn't win the TONY...it didn't get enough votes.

Plus, PIAZZA is not only a novel it also has a movie adaptation that was made years ago. So it's not just a novel to musical adaptation.
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DRS - All the Way!
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Here's what originality counts for on Broadway: ZERO. Why do you folks need to keep whining that "this is just ADAPTED from a movie" or whatever? WHO CARES! Audiences certainly don't. And don't try to spin that this "Lack of creativity" is anything new. Operas were almost always adapted from previous stories or plays and if a character connected, composers thought nothing of taking that character and plopping it into another situation to creat another show.

I think it must be that you are incapable of accepting that a show you hate is doing well, so you feel compelled to PROVE the superiority of your pet show. In fact, none of the shows nominated this year for Tonys were original. ("Bee" was indeed adapted from a play.) The only musical that debuted this season that was original was Brooklyn I believe. And who cares?

This had been said before but no one seems to believe it: Adaptions are the rule, NOT the exception. For whatever reason, this is a medium that favors the adaption of previous plots. It's not bad, it's not good, it's just the truth. Move on.
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I stand by the outcome. Spamalot won and should have won.
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In the long view, the Tonys don't matter much (look at some of the now-legendary shows that lost to now-forgotten shows). What's done is done and cannot be undone. But if what you mean by the question is which of the nominees is in our view is the best piece of art, I would have to say Piazza. And Caroline for last year.
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Piazza! Actually, I would have wanted Matt Morrison to win the Tony over Dan... and I think overall, they chose Spamalot becuase the "underdog" had won the previous year. I wish Wicked had won instead of Avenue Q, now that we are on that subject... but I am not too upset that Piazza didn't win, because it gets more people wanting to watch Spamalot... as opposed to Piazza, which is closing after a year's run.
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PIAZZA isn't closing because of lack of ticket sales. It was ALWAYS intended to be a limited engagement. It's amazing that it was extended twice. That's a feat in and of itself.
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