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#26

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/24/07 at 7:23pm

Bernadette Peters in Gypsy
Raul Espraza in Company

And re: Tonya Pinkins in Caroline, or Change...had Pinkins won the Tony that year, (which she should have) Wicked would probably only have half the success it does today, IMO. Idina winning made her a household name and made Wicked even more "popular" with the tweens.
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#27

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/24/07 at 7:32pm

^
And there'd be videos all over youtube of 12 year olds singing Lot's Wife?

COOL!
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#28

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/24/07 at 7:34pm

LOL!

Oh, that would be awful nice.
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#29

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/24/07 at 7:38pm

That would be FANTASTIC. Haha.
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#30

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/24/07 at 7:51pm

Tonya Pinkins- CAROLINE, OR CHANGE
Marin Mazzie- RAGTIME
Bernadette Peters- GYPSY but even more for SUNDAY IN THE PARK WITH GEORGE
John McMartin- FOLLIES
Antonio Banderas- NINE
Jane Krakowski- GRAND HOTEL
Toni Collette- WILD PARTY
Victor Garber- LEND ME A TENOR or DAMN YANKEES
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#32

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/25/07 at 5:44pm

Michael Cerveris in Sweeney... John Lloyd Young, really?
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#33

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/25/07 at 6:14pm

Bernadette Peters for Gypsy, and for a MUCH robbed award for Sunday in the Park with George.

Sarah Saltzberg or Celia Kennan-Bolger for Spelling Bee
#34

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/25/07 at 8:35pm

while I do believe Tonya was amazing...and did deserve a Tony...I dont feel that Idina didn't deserve it. I'm not a teen Wicked freak lol, but I dont think people understand what Idina had to do. Not only did she have to originate a character in a huge show, she also had to take the worlds vision of the Wicked Witch of the West and change it into believing she is actually good. That is not an easy thing to do, especially considering the huge popularity of The Wizard of Oz. I think she did an awesome job with that, especially for being the first. True she didn't riff the crap out of the score, but she didn't have anyone to follow either. I dont know lol, that always bothers me. Anyway, Tonya was amazing too! I think everyone that year was brilliant. They all should have gotten one lol.

Updated On: 10/25/07 at 08:35 PM

#36

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/25/07 at 8:45pm

Dustin Hoffman...Death of a Salesman
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#37

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 3:41pm

Tonya acted the role of Caroline brilliantly, but vocally, she couldn't handle the score. The day I saw the show, she cracked horribly on the opening line, which really sets the tone for the entire show when the audience is wincing from the beginning. And it didn't help that the character was written with such a tiny emotional range. Caroline is angry and bitter for 95% of the show. I'm not saying she should have been written any differently, but if your character doesn't have much emotional range in a musical, the vocal performance will have to help pull it over the top. Unfortunately, Tonya couldn't do it. I love her and I love the show, but it just wasn't the best performance of the season, in my opinion.

I don't think Idina's win had anything to do with the success of Wicked. The show was selling over capacity every performance before the Tonys. The bitty boobie club were already the overly-obsessed fan base before the Tonys. The show didn't win Best Musical, Idina's been long gone, and nothing about the ticket sales nor the show's fan base has changed in any way. And Idina is nowhere near a household name. She is a broadway performer very popular with young female fans of musical theatre and old-school Rentheads. Her husband is more famous, actually and I don't think "Taye Diggs's Wife" is really a household name, either. Idina's a wonderful performer and gave a Tony-winning performance (as did Kristin Chenoweth, in my opinion), but no more a household name than Kerry Butler or Laura Bell Bundy.
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Updated On: 10/26/07 at 03:41 PM

#38

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 4:17pm

Tovah Feldshuh - GOLDA'S BALCONY.
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#39

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 4:30pm

Lucie Arnaz in THEY'RE PLAYING OUR SONG (She still would have lost to Angela Lansbury, but should have been nominated)

#40

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 4:57pm

"And re: Tonya Pinkins in Caroline, or Change...had Pinkins won the Tony that year, (which she should have) Wicked would probably only have half the success it does today, IMO. Idina winning made her a household name and made Wicked even more "popular" with the tweens."

Wicked was already extremely popular before the Tonys. It lost in the biggest category - Best Musical. I doubt if it won nothing, people would stop seeing it.
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#41

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 5:04pm

I know they were nominated in a tight year, their show was closed and they weren't CHEATED by any means (I loved Natasha), but my little 17 year old psyche was bruised forever when Alice Ripley and Emily Skinner didn't win the tony they were jointly nominated for. I mean for the love of cheesecake, how do you beat the two of them at once?
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#42

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 5:37pm

Many people have said this and I'll say it again, the ROLE won the Tony not Idina Menzel necessarily. While I agree Pinkins' couldn't handle the score of CoC, I'm not sure many other actresses could have made all that anger seem as heartbreaking as Tony Pinkins did. I will however disagree with whomever said that Idina Menzel is in the same pool as some others. She's definitely a much, much bigger all around than Kerry Butler and Laura Bell Bundy will most likely ever be.
#43

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/26/07 at 7:59pm

From the musicals I've seen:
Julie Andrews, Victor/Victoria
Rachel York, Victor/Victoria
Lea Salonga as Fantine in Les Miserables Revival (I know she didn't qualify bec. she's a replacement.)
Bernadette Peters, Gyspy
Kristin Chenoweth, Wicked

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Updated On: 10/26/07 at 07:59 PM

#44

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/27/07 at 1:59am

Audra in 110. Perfection.

The fact that legendary performances like Merman in Gypsy, Julie Andrews in My Fair Lady, or Gwen Verdon in Sweet Charity were not rewarded is absolutely ludicrous. It blows my mind every... single... day. (Maybe I need a life. re: Best Performance..No Tony)
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#46

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/27/07 at 10:57am

Peter Friedman in Ragtime
Ann Harada in Avenue Q
Michael Cerveris or Paul Kandel for Tommy
Michael Cerveris and Patti LuPone and Manoel Feliciano for Sweeney
Jayne Houdeshel for Well

and the greatest injustice of all:
Sunday in the Park with George for Best Musical!!!!!!!!
I killed the boss, you don't think they're gonna fire me over a thing like that!!!!
#48

re: Best Performance..No Tony

Posted: 10/27/07 at 12:14pm

The three biggest from performances I've seen

Toni Collette - COMPLETELY ROBBED for The Wild Party.

Carolee Carmello - Parade

Audra McDonald - 110 in the Shade.

I'm sure people will hate me for saying it, but I don't think Christine Ebersol came anywhere near Audra's performance. They were very different but In my opinion it alot harder to do what Audra did, very successfully I might add, than it is to do an impersonation of someone that is already extremely interesting and quirky.

And don't get me started on Heather Headley vs. Toni Collette. Just no excuse for that one.

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