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#26

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:36am

I love it when you talk dirty, Matt!

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#27

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:37am

Lupone IS Eva. Period.

Madonna was atrocious, imo.

Sorry Matt.

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The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.

#28

Puhleeeeze! Madonna was perfect! Give credit where it's due. She worked hard and she delivered an incredible performance. No one is saying that she's a better singer than Lupone or anyone else for that matter. But like I said, this was a movie. And Patti Lupone is best viewed no closer than the 10th row of the orchestra section.

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 10/25/04 at 12:38 AM

#29

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:43am

as Patti sings,

"I'm Argentina... and always will be".

BEEEYATCH!!!!!

#30

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:45am

Yeah Madonna sang it too, hon. And she sang it better.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#31

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:47am

Matt,

To quote a little film called "The Empire Strikes Back":

Join me and end this destructive conflict.

#32

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:49am

I gotta go Madonna, folks. I thought the movie version of Evita was wonderful. And I thought madonna conveyed more pathos in the role than Lupone. 'Course all I've seen is the video of the Lupone Evita....

Word. Word, indeed.

#33

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:49am

No, I don't think I will. I just put EVITA in and am reliving the glory that is Madge.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#34

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:50am

The fact that you called her Madge is horrific!!

You dirty whore!!

#35

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:52am

okee dokee
*the straight man quietly leaves for fear of being caught in the gay cross fire*

Word. Word, indeed.

#36

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 12:58am

One final word on "Madge" as Lady Eve!!

It goes downhill from there--and how could it not?--as the movie rests on Madonna's shaky ability to die convincingly. "Have I said too much?" she sings. "Yes!" we shout. In her final moments, when she asks, "So what happens now?" and someone retorts, "Acting class!" it is painfully apparent that death will not be proud.

#37

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 1:03am

Well... for what it's worth, one of my dearest friends (and by no means a Madonna fan) whose Argentine and lived in Argentina during the time that Peron held office, felt that Madonna did a beautiful job capturing the spirit and essence of Eva Peron. I saw the movie with him on Christmas day 1996 and I'll never forget his emotional reaction to it. On the other hand, Lupone's performance on stage left him cold. As for myself, I thought Lupone was excellent. But I still wouldn't have wanted to see her in the movie. Two very different mediums. And yes, two very different interpretations. But for my money, Madonna nailed it! Beside the fact that overall, I just think it works better as a movie than it does on stage.

There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 10/25/04 at 01:03 AM

#38

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 1:43am

I thought I'd dive into this discussion.

LuPone was never going to be in the film version -- too old for it by the time Evita was going to be made into a movie. As well, her voice would just overpower a cinema house. She's trained for the stage, not for the cinema. One more point: her portrayal of Eva Peron is as Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber would have liked the character to be: cold, arrogant bitch-queen.

The film version was going for a character much warmer and multi-faceted (and closer to what Argentines see their Evita to be). I thought Madonna delivered a magnificent performance: charismatic, alluring and complicated. I by no means think Madonna is a good actress, but I think she really pulled it off in this movie (and worked damn hard at it, from what I've read). Question: do people on this board criticize Madonna's performance because she didn't deliver a convincing performance, or because she's Madonna and not a big Broadway star?

One more thing: unlike Moulin Rouge and Chicago that followed, the emphasis Evita the movie was NOT that it was a musical, but that it was a biopic about Eva Peron. So whether Madonna sang the score in its original key in inconsequential to me: she delivered a believable and identifiable Eva Peron, which is most important.

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#39

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 1:50am

One more thing: I thought Madonna's performance of Eva's death scene was beautiful and full of pathos.

Again, two different interpretations of Eva Peron: the stage version approached Eva as a power-hungry opportunist. The movie version did more research, IMO, and portrayed a more complex, morally-ambiguous character, which is more accurate if you ask me. Notice how when people talk of the stage version, they rarely compare it to historical evidence (it's as if the stage version is pure fiction); while when the film version is brought up, there is much more talk about the real Eva Peron.

#40

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 8:00am

Hello? Americans? Elaine Paige anyone? The original and best Evita on stage. She can sing (not scream like LuPone) and act (unlike Madonna, not that she is a stage Eva anyway).

I agree that Madge was pretty good in the film and she was probably the best choice for the role because Paige and LuPone would have been too old anyway. I have a lot of recordings of Evita and the OLC and movie soundtrack are definitely my favourites. LuPone on the other hand, makes me want to scratch my eyes out.

I think I might have just made myself the least popular person here...

"Jane, I've been dealt a blow - I've been dealt a blow, Jane."

#41

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:18pm

Personally, I don't like the OBCR either -- I think LuPone has a tendency of sounding awful on recording. The OLCR of Sunset Blvd. is another example. I don't think she emotes well on recording -- she sounds cold, sterile and loud. But from what I've heard, she's wonderful onstage.

#42

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:39pm

I don't get Madonna in anything, including Evita -- sorry. I found her performance in Evita cold, remote, plastic, unemotive (partly the director's fault as well) and undersung. It was like her video for "Vogue" -- lots of posing and attitude, but without a drop of warm blood running underneath the facade. Where was the fire? The spontaneity? The life behind the eyes? The whole film looked like a two hour feminine hygiene commercial to me. Nice cinematography. No depth whatsoever. Whatever criticisms one may have of Lupone, she never lacked in urgency and fire and passion (to say nothing of VOICE).

"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie [http://margochanning.broadwayworld.com/] "The Devil Be Hittin' Me" -- Whitney

#43

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:43pm

Margo, you've made a powerful enemy here, today.

Smithers, release the hounds.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#44

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:46pm

Oh, be gone...... you have no power here.

"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie [http://margochanning.broadwayworld.com/] "The Devil Be Hittin' Me" -- Whitney

#45

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:47pm

The sooner you admit that Madonna IS Eva Peron, the happier your life will be. You'll be free.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#46

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:48pm

From the second she warbled 'Screw the middle classes...' and had that dead-behind-the-eyes look, I knew I wouldn't be a fan of Madonna's EVITA.

The death scene was alright...but I'm convinced Alan Parker was actually putting out cigarettes on the souls of her feet to get her to cry like that.

"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."

#47

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:49pm

RobbieJ, you don't have to say that just to impress Margo. You've told me many times how much you loved her in it and now you can't stomach Patti LuBORING's recording.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#48

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:57pm

Girl,

I can't stand EVITA! AT ALL.

I mean...what the f*ck happens in that show??? NOTHING. Oh...a lot is talked about...but NOTHING HAPPENS!

It's like an all-singing book-on-tape.

"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."

#49

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 4:58pm

Yeah, but it's Madonna. Case closed, Silly gal.

Now I WILL say that it doesn't compare to THE WORST WITCH, but than again nothing reall does.

"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."

#50

re: Evita

Posted: 10/25/04 at 5:37pm

Margo Channing wrote:

" The whole film looked like a two hour feminine hygiene commercial to me."

That has to be one of the funniest lines I have ever read describing a movie! I'm still laughing my @ss off!

As far as Madonna in "Evita", well I have to say that I wasn't impressed. The score was slowed down to such a pace so that she could keep up with it. It sucked all the energy out of the score. "Rainbow High" and "Buenos Aires" two of the most energetic songs in the score were downright yawns in the movie. It should have been so much better. I was downright disappointed because "Evita" happens to be one of my all-time favorites.

Updated On: 10/25/04 at 05:37 PM

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