FANGS FOR NOTHING, FRANK - nypost.com — Page 2
Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:12pm
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Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:18pm
Really? How long have you been in the working sector? I don't think Show Business is the one to compare entitlement to.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:20pm
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Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:35pm
My point is, that employees in just about every work place feel they are entitled to many things. That was my one and only point.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:48pm
The Grand Rights are usually controlled by the production company until the last first class production closes. I cannot imagine the producers ceding the music rights in toto back to Wildhorn.
Legally it sounds like a triangle: Actors vs production company and then the company vs Wildhorn to recover those labor costs that they had to pay to the Equity talent.
If Wildhorn really wanted to save money, he'd use synthesizers and pay three musicians to do the work of fifteen.
But he wouldn't dare try that with AFM Local 802. Or would he?
Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:57pm
Posted: 12/15/04 at 3:59pm
Isn't there a concept recording of Dracula with Chuck Wagner, Douglas Sills, and some others? Where can I go about scoring that? Or is it just an unreleased demo thing? If I'm not going to be able to get the OBC, I'll at least get Chuck~*
This said, I am officially too curious about the music to this show to have ethics anymore...:)
Posted: 12/15/04 at 4:02pm
Now that he's screwed over his cast and producers, maybe this will mean his work will never see the light of Broadway again. Hopefully.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 4:07pm
boy, frank should go to the donald's hairpiece man so they can be alike in looks too
Posted: 12/15/04 at 4:10pm
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Posted: 12/15/04 at 4:34pm
WOSQ, original cast recordings of Broadway musicals don't always fall under the category of "Grand Rights."
I believe that every show has it's own contractual nuances, but Whildhorn is probably operating from the understanding of the music industry's version, which are known as "Mechanical Rights." Mechanical rights protect a composer from having his songs recorded THE FIRST TIME only. Once a song has been recorded, by anyone, everyone else in the world is free to record it. They have to pay royalties to ASCAP or BMI or SESAC, but they don't need permission to record the song, providing that it has been recorded once. However, a composer owns the mechanical rights to any composition he has written, and he or she has the final say regarding who records those songs initially.
As Whildhorn is from the music industry, he might be trying to play by those rules, as that's what he knows. In the music industry, the composer of songs always gets financial renumeration for his work. The singer on a record doesn't get royalties; but the composer always does. Wildhorn has made a fortune from "This is the Moment," because every time some television network airs it for a figure skater, he gets money.
Which brings up the real nasty thing, if this story is true. Wildhorn will always get financial renumeration from DRACULA once it has been recorded. Actors never get a penny from a cast recording's royalties, other than their initial recording session fees. Actor's Equity has very stringent policies regarding the recordings of Broadway shows, and Wildhorn will be screwed if he did what that article implied that he did.
It's fine for him to put up his own money to record his show. But he cannot use his actors without paying them the Equity salary for recording a cast album. Nor should he. He has the potential of making money from the venture; the actors do not.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 4:47pm
Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:24pm
Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:36pm
But even listening to your defense of Wildhorn, I don't think he's in the right here.
"Blame the Union" doesn't wash with me. The particular union we're talking about, Actor's Equity, isn't an overly demanding union, in the grand scheme of things. They just want their members to get what they deserve. While they may occasionally seem unreasonable, their motives stem from the desire to protect the rights of their constituency. And fact it, actors need as much help in that regard as they can get.
Regarding Wildhorn, all of these rumors are coming from a Michael Riedel column in the NY Post, which is not the best source for factal information. It may be true; on the other hand, it may be something that Riedel pulled out of his bum. As you probably know, he has a tendancy to do that sort of thing.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:41pm
Blame the Unions? Oh yes...are you f*cking kidding me??? People stand to make quite a bit of money off this recording, except the performers. They get about a week's salaray, maybe two. No a particularly grand sum.
It is appalling that he started this process without telling the cast. That's just bad form. And is 19 weeks REALLY that long to wait? They did it for AMOUR, didn't they?
Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:49pm
Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:57pm
re: Michael Riedel. Did you read the full article? He has quotes from the union, Frank, etc. Doesn't sound like he's making this up...
Posted: 12/15/04 at 7:09pm
I don't know the facts of this situation. We're all basing our comments on a Riedel column, and while his column appeared persuasive, he does have a tendency to make things up. He also reports a lot of truth. I tend to take him with a grain of salt, however, because he's been proven a liar one too many times for my taste. That doesn't mean that this particular piece of information is incorrect. But absent concrete proof, I remain a suspect of Riedel's trustworthiness, and even though I dislike Wildhorn immensely, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, especially when his denouncer is Michael Riedel.
Posted: 12/15/04 at 7:30pm
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Posted: 12/15/04 at 8:51pm
The critics are openly hostile to him & will never give any of his shows reviews that would allow a long run. There was no cast recording of Civil War . I was unaware of the tremendous costs entailed with making a cast album & I see why many shows go unrecorded
The man is protecting his future . His music is his only asset & I do not blame him for what he is doing. The restrictive union rules seem to be the problem. If the union would give a waiver, maybe he could use the original cast. He has an upcoming tour so he needs the recording now. What is he supposed to do?
I want to hear the music. I would prefer the OBC but if that is not feasible & would stop a recording from being made, use the other cast
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