Flops that Deserve a Second Chance- Page 2
Flops that Deserve a Second Chance
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#25
Posted: 7/19/09 at 2:26pm
I started a thread about this a few days ago - "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman"
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#26
Posted: 7/19/09 at 2:28pm
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And of course, about two thirds of Carrie. I say cut the worst songs and replace them with some sorely needed book scenes that convey what's happening in the story.
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#27
Posted: 7/19/09 at 2:40pm
[title of show] and Side Show
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#28
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:05pm
You don't just mean a FLOP (financial failurte) but an outright TURKEY. A show that closes after a brief run and loses its entire investment.
Most Broadway turkeys have problematic books, but often the scores are full of delights. (GOLDILOCKS. DEAR WORLD. STEEL PIER.) Most of these would be good candidates for Encores.
Then there are shows that were sadly misunderstood or unappreciated. The original MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG comes to mind, although most of the revisions now in use strengthen the show, I do wish the opening and closing graduation scenes were restored.
Kander and Ebb's THE RINK is one show that could be revived without any changes. Whether audiences would buy it remains to be seen but a recent local production proved that this show has a good, tight and compelling book and some dynamite songs. (The original was not really a turkey: it good good reviews, Tony nominations and lasted 5 months.)
Another show from that season that can work effectively in smaller spaces is BABY. Great score by Shire and Maltby and book that occasionally gets a bit clunky but for the most part works.
But let's face it most Broadway turkeys flopped because no one wanted to see them in the first run.
Cast albums are NOT "soundtracks."
Live theatre does not use a "soundtrack." If it did, it wouldn't be live theatre!
I host a weekly one-hour radio program featuring cast album selections as well as songs by cabaret, jazz and theatre artists. The program, FRONT ROW CENTRE is heard Sundays 9 to 10 am and also Saturdays from 8 to 9 am (eastern times) on www.proudfm.com
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#29
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:12pm
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#30
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:14pmwoman in white, the music was alw's best since phantom, the musical scenes could be trimmed down or cut and could be made into more of a book musical...
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#31
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:15pmAnyone Can Whistle is a great show that didn't do well
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#32
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:20pmBaby's score is fantastic.
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#33
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:21pm
woman in white, the music was alw's best since phantom
Was that meant to be a compliment?
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#34
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:24pm^ LMAO
-Danmeg's 10 year old son.
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#35
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:24pm
"woman in white, the music was alw's best since phantom, the musical scenes could be trimmed down or cut and could be made into more of a book musical... "
I agree...I'd love to see Woman in White back again. Great story/loved the novel as well (even though they are veyr different!).
"woman in white, the music was alw's best since phantom
Was that meant to be a compliment? "
Oh Blaxx, do you ever let any composers with known/popular shows get recognized for their successes? Clearly not.
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#37
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:26pmthank you philly03
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#38
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:32pm
Oh Blaxx, do you ever let any composers with known/popular shows get recognized for their successes? Clearly not.
Oh, love, I give him Evita or JCS but after that...
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#39
Posted: 7/19/09 at 3:48pm
CARRIE, It's such a heartbreaking story to me, and with a lot of reworking, I think it could work.
Of course they would have to change:
-the score, there are a few gems, but they would have to change a lot of songs and keep it more operatic
-the costumes, they were...interesting
-the choreography-to Fame-like, doesn't fit
-the sets-A white box doesn't work, ever
-the book- needed to tell more of the story, and the ending.
Of course, Michael Gore will never let it happen, at least release the rights, I mean come one
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#40
Posted: 7/19/09 at 4:03pmDid anyone save the interview Webber gave that was posted on the Whistle Down the Wind tour site? I seem to remember him basically denouncing the entire Woman in White production and talking about his realization that it could never work because the entire show was about a secret and that audiences today with the internet, blogs and gossip columns don't understand what a secret is anymore. It was pretty funny.
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#41
Posted: 7/19/09 at 4:15pm
I agree with the peron who said "Lennon". I thought that one was pretty good, and maybe with a little help could have done better. But the first one I thought of when I saw the title of the thread, was "Rags". (I know someone said it already). It has a great score, interesting characters and a decent storyline, it should get another run-out.
And somebody has got to come up workable stage version of "Chess"!
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#43
Posted: 7/19/09 at 5:01pmWhat 'turkeys' have come back and found some success. The only one that comes to my mind is 'The Rocky Horror Show', but it was not revised (not to my knowledge) and I despite the energetic audiences and decent reviews...it was still a flop (yet at the same time, it had to survive 9/11...which brought down A LOT of shows at the time).
-Danmeg's 10 year old son.
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#44
Posted: 7/19/09 at 6:57pmAlso, The Rocky Horror Show was a major success in London and in LA before it came to Broadway. It also had this little movie adaptation (featuring some actress who never worked again...Susan Sarandon, I think it was?) that, though flopped when released commercially, had some MINOR success with midnight screenings...
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#45
Posted: 7/19/09 at 7:54pmAgreed on Prettybelle. I've heard the soundboard recording of the entire show in Boston and it sounded very different and funny.
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re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#46
Posted: 7/19/09 at 8:20pm
I know no one will agree with me but I'd go with LESTAT.
If they reworked the book (meaning just encompassing the "Interview with the Vampire" story line and leaving Marius and all that out) I think it would have worked much better. The Interview has a true beginning, middle and end, adding "The Vampire Lestat" story line only drug it out. Also get Elton to come back and add/tweak songs, the fact that he "wrote the score in 12 days" but then refused to be involved in the rehearsal process in order to change things didn't help matters either!
Either way I still loved the show despite its problems... and I know I'm in an extreme minority!
Updated On: 7/19/09 at 08:20 PM
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#47
Posted: 7/19/09 at 8:21pm
Little-Lotte, I'll join you in that 'small minority'! 
-Danmeg's 10 year old son.
re: Flops that Deserve a Second Chance#48
Posted: 7/19/09 at 8:28pmThe funny thing about Carrie is that it's really not that bad compared to some of the crap that's on Broadway today. "I'm Not Alone" is one of my most favorite songs ever.
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