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#1

Guilt

I was having a conversation with two friends regarding my excitement to see the upcoming revival of The Music Man. I have tickets for next spring time that hopefully will happen. They were extremely angry with me and told me I should get a refund for my ticket. I know where they're coming from, but it did catch me off guard.

I get people are upset over the Rudin issues. I get that it's not a show everyone's excited for. But, I still am looking forward to it. I love the show and I happen to admire a lot of the cast as performers.

So here's my thing, why should people be made to feel guilty for wanting to see something / or enjoying something?

#2

Guilt

Did you get your tickets before the accusations came out? I know his behavior wasn't the best kept secret in the industry, but what do they expect, for you to get a refund?

Rudin is a scumbag of a person, but he's one person. There are hundreds of people involved in The Music Man, and you shouldn't be ashamed for wanting to support their work.

#3

Guilt

Alex Kulak2 said: "Did you get your tickets before the accusations came out? I know his behavior wasn't the best kept secret in the industry, but what do they expect, for you to get a refund?

Rudin is a scumbag of a person, but he's one person. There are hundreds of people involved inThe Music Man, and you shouldn't be ashamed for wanting to support their work.
"

Oh yes! These tickets have been rescheduled multiple times with each shutdown delay.

I agree with you.

#4

Guilt

No.

I love the show. I’m looking forward to it happening. It’s a great cast, and a massive operation. All of those people deserve jobs and an audience. I think Rudin is an odious and troubled man. He’s also been responsible for some of my favorite recent evenings of theatre. He also should be held accountable for his abusive behavior. Life is complicated.

I hope you and I, fitasafiddle, will be laughing and smiling crying tears of joy and cheering THE MUSIC MAN when it eventually, hopefully opens.

#5

Guilt

Also, someone's gotta tell the kids out there that it's not Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman's fault that Beetlejuice closed cheeky

Updated On: 4/24/21 at 05:16 PM

#6

Guilt

BCfitasafiddle said: "Also, someone's gotta tell the kids out there that it's not Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman's fault that Beetlejuice closedcheeky"

That is something I don’t understand, and now many months later, it reeks of unreasonable whining. But the kind of behind the scenes dealings that pushed it out of the Winter Garden just as sales were picking up happened to MACK AND MABEL in 1974 when “The Shuberts” pushed it out of the Majestic for THE WIZ. It’s showBUSINESS. I don’t think it was a personal or creative reflection of anyone involved with BEETLEJUICE. These heartbreakers— often unfair— are prone to happen.

#7

Guilt

Rudin is a dick. That doesn't erase the magic I experienced at the Shubert Theatre nor do I feel guilty for looking back on it fondly. You shouldn't feel guilty either.

#8

Guilt

BCfitasafiddle said: "I was having a conversation with two friends regarding my excitement to see the upcoming revival of The Music Man. I have tickets for next spring time that hopefully will happen. They were extremely angry with me and told me I should get a refund for my ticket. I know where they're coming from, but it did catch me off guard.

I get people are upset over the Rudin issues. Iget that it's not a show everyone's excited for. But, I still am looking forward to it. I love the show and I happen to admire a lot of the cast as performers.

So here's my thing, why should people be made to feel guilty for wanting to see something / or enjoying something?
"

Your friends are jealous that you are going. I say if they are that trivial....get new friends.

#9

Guilt

SR did bad things, but that doesn't take away my positive experiences seeing The Book of Mormon and The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time.

Tons of other people are involved in this upcoming Music Man revival... it's best to just support them and have a good time. Please don't feel guilty you're going to see it... it will be one of the hottest tickets in town at the beginning of next year.


“I am furious, but I am sailing.”
#10

Guilt

This is an incredibly complicated question/topic. Are you bringing this up because you actually want to understand the thought process behind it? Or are you just looking for like-minded people to make you feel ok about your purchase? Because with all due respect, it kind of reads like the latter, but I'll take a swing at the former.

If you had posted this 2 weeks ago, I would have said this:

We vote with our dollar, and the only reason Scott Rudin is able to do what he does is because we give him the money to continue being a powerful person in the business. So yes, if you're knowingly giving money to perpetuate injustice, maybe some guilt is in order.

Of course, so much of our capitalist framework is unjust in so many ways. It's incredibly difficult to be a totally ethical consumer, when there are so many companies are unethical in such a wide variety of ways and degrees. So on some level, it's impractical to beat yourself up over every purchase.

But that can't be used as a catch-all excuse to get out of having to make difficult decisions and sacrifices. All of us should be making an effort to be ethical consumers, even if we will never be perfect, and even though it will mean making things more difficult for ourselves sometimes. I think it makes sense to pick your battles, but those battles should be weighed between (1) the severity of the injustice at play (2) your willingness to sacrifice your morals for something you REALLY want. If you feel that skipping Music Man will be so painful, so soul-crushingly disappointing that it outweighs your role in supporting Rudin's abuse, then that's your decision to make. And I can't claim that I haven't made decisions like that in the past that went against my morals.

You also should weigh those things against your ability to create tangible change. Before this month, it was highly unlikely that returning your Music Man ticket would've made any difference. But once the movement got momentum, there was a much more urgent need for a credible threat of boycott, otherwise Rudin wouldn't have pulled out. If everyone had just gone about their business and said "well, I'm excited to see Music Man, so everything should just go on as usual." Then nothing would've happened.

^^^^And of course, EVERYTHING I said above is complicated by Rudin's recent decisions. At this point, it seems like his reputation and power have been reduced enough that his opportunities to cause harm will be much lower, especially if the industry maintains its public scrutiny as is necessary. So at this point, it's unlikely, but still remains to be seen, whether giving money to Music Man will function as a perpetuation of his abuse of power, even he still makes money from it.

It's something I'm still thinking about, and still waiting on, before I make a decision about whether I'll see the show. And I would encourage everyone to put in that same degree of thought, and not just say "guilt = bad, therefore I'll do whatever I want!"

Updated On: 4/24/21 at 05:51 PM

#11

Guilt

I had a ticket to see this that was rescheduled, but then I opted for a refund when it was rescheduled again. I had every intention of still seeing this until a couple weeks ago. I, like many others, had heard about Rudin's reputation, but I had no idea just how bad things were until the news broke. I, personally, probably will be sitting this one out, not just because of Rudin and the responses from Jackman and Foster, but also because I had to move away from the city when COVID hit, and will not be returning to live there. I still plan to visit the city a few times a year and catch as many shows as possible, but I, sadly, will no longer have the privilege of seeing every show like I did for the last 5 years living and working in the city. The current events surrounding this show have just left a foul taste in my mouth, and I would just rather spend my money elsewhere. That being said, I hope those that do see it have a great experience.


"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "
#12

Guilt

I think it's natural to look forward to something, especially something that has so many people involved in creating it (as opposed to something much simpler, like going to a friend's house to work on a puzzle), and especially if you're a fan of a lot of people in the cast. You could always tell yourself to just not see anymore Rudin-involved shows in the future, and although that may mean you miss out on a lot, maybe it's worth it to you.

As someone else said in this thread, I've enjoyed a decent amount of Rudin-produced shows in the past, as well as other ones I've since turned my back on once I examined them a little more closely and felt sour about it. But that doesn't mean at the time I didn't have a nice night at the theatre. I'm still figuring out what I want to see when Broadway reopens and if a Rudin show would be in the works (my curiosity as to BoM's post-covid sensitivity retooling may get the better of me, but if standing room is an option in the great reopening, I'm going to do that).


"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#13

Guilt

Why should someone be shamed for wanting to see a classic show? Rudin’s an asshole, but how can someone not want to see Hugh Jackman in The Music Man?
“Somebody stop me before I sing again” - Bazzard
#14

Guilt

I have never seen a show because it was produced by Scott Rudin. In some cases, I never even knew he was the lead or co-producer. I don't pore over every line of the Playbill, to tell the truth.

My tickets are intact for The Music Man - Rudin has never been my reason for wanting to see it. I follow Hugh Jackman's film and stage career ( I saw him first in the London Oklahoma! and did not even know who he was then) and he has proven his range, including musicals - theatre or film. When he was doing BackOnBroadway, one of the most applauded numbers was his re-enactment of the Rock Island opening number, singing the parts of all the salesmen. His joy of performing is always transmitted to audiences.

Hugh also has many advocacies, some of which relate to NYC. His Laughing Man Coffee venture with outlets in NYC supports fair trade for coffee farmers in Africa &South America. He is a founding organizer of the GlobalCitizen movement which had yearly CentralPark concerts before the pandemic. He is a longtime board member of the HarlemVillageAcademies for which he not only raised funds but also helped in teacher recruitment ( by doing a very funny ad for the school). More recently, he has been supporting individual health frontliners in his own way... More importantly, he has served the Broadway community thru fundraising for BroadwayCares/EFA, raising some $ 5.5 million if I am not mistaken over his 4 Broadway engagements as well as hosting 4 TONY awards shows. He is known for his professional discipline and had never missed a performance in his 4 Broadway engagements. He deserves support for this coming "rebuilt" production of Music Man ( without Rudin).

I was a fan of the film version of The Music Man with Robert Preston but had never seen a live version. Just like the reason why I came to see Oklahoma! in London ( saw the movie - not very impressed then - but I am a great fan of Rodgers&Hammerstein and wanted to see a live performance of a show that was considered a landmark musical)...I have learned that The Music Man is a classic musical and was the very first TONY winner for Best Musical as well as being the GRAMMY winner for the Original Broadway Cast Recording. I am looking forward to seeing it now. I also did not know stuff like Paul McCartney owning the music rights to TheMusicMan - one of his big hits as a Beatle was "'Til There Was You" which he recorded without knowing then that it came from a musical. I also have the book by Meredith Willson. Edit : I did not know how strong its critical reception was as a movie until I checked its Rotten Tomato rating : 94% rating from critics!

I do not live in America...but a return trip to NYC ( where I had once worked) is always a welcome chance. I am seeing not just Music Man but since I missed To Kill A Mockingbird in my last trip, I am planning to see that - the film with Grergory Peck was another one I liked a lot.

I always believe in fairness ( and I can honestly say that it was my governing principle when I used to work as part of the management team in a large financial institution) - not because someone else is fair or not fair. We all have to make decisions, small and large, in our lives that reflect on our own personal philosophies, so whichever decision one wants to make re the Music Man revival should reflect his own personal beliefs. I also belong to a different culture.

Assuming travel restrictions will be relaxed by the time my chance to see The Music Man happens, I even look forward to introducing the show to a young relative ( budding musical theatre fan) who saw Les Miserables when she was only 11 and cried all the way!



Updated On: 4/25/21 at 09:23 PM

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