I'm As Happy As A Pig In ****

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 7:28pm

I start jury duty tomorrow. What I remember is that it is a colossal waste of time & I understand why the court calendar is backed up because of how much time is utterly wasted.

[AReinkingfan]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:06pm

I hate the whole idea of jury duty! There have GOT to be enough people out there that WANT to do that. Leave the rest of us alone. I was lucky enough to get out of a murder trial several years ago based solely on the fact that I live from check to check, and without pay, it would be a tremendous financial hardship. Thank God the judge excused me!

Hopefully your trial will be swift!

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:12pm

Maybe when I tell them my views of the judicial system, they will excuse me.

Some of them are

1. Jury Nullification
2. A Capital Punishment Law in New York State which is a joke
3. Drunk Drivers getting off scott free
4. A local DA who let a woman who scalded her baby to death go
scott free.
5. Guilty people who go free etc etc

I personally think, especially in NYC . that the criminal justice system is an absolute joke

Updated On: 6/19/03 at 09:12 PM

[DofB5]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:13pm

It's easy to get out of--just tell them you don't care if it's a case for jaywalking--you going to vote for the death penalty. Either that or show up with an executioners hood on. I’ve seen both done when I’ve been called and both were rather quickly excused. :)

Me, I'm the good Joe--I served both times.

D

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:15pm

How about going in with a copy of the Skin Head times with a swastika armband? Maybe that will work

[lass]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:26pm

Speaking of pigs, Mr. Roxy, I suggest you keep your bigoted, uninspired skewered view of politics off this board.

[DofB5]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 9:49pm

And I posted on this thread with humor instead of another because I was telling myself, "Temper, Temper. Be nice. Remember your promise."?
D

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:12pm

To Lass

Get a life. It is funny that those who scream about tolerance are some of the most intolerant people you will ever see. You fit that profile perfectly. It was a joke but your bigoted views are the real problem. Last time I heard Freedom of Speech is the law. Oh, I forgot, only you are free to spew your hate. Silly me

It was people like you that made the old board (Broadway.com) implode. Are you trying to bring down this board as well ? I will not get into a battle with a mental midget such as yourself.

Have a nice life (full of your hate). I pity people like you.

Updated On: 6/19/03 at 10:12 PM

[Butch2]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:21pm

It's called "jury duty" because it is just that, a duty, an obligation as a citizen of your country that so many have fought and died to create and defend. Perhaps you would prefer to renounce your U.S. citizenship?

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:33pm

I am saying that so much time is wasted that it is a main reason why courts are backed up.

Add to that, if the two parties decide to cut a deal , you have wasted your time. If you sentence someone, they either get the sentence reduced or overturned. Any case starts the The State vs etc. The person who is the victim has absolutely no say regarding what the outcome is

Read my original post & some of the reasons why I thing the current criminal justice system is a joke. I would not mind serving but the system is so flawed that serving ( & not getting paid) in view of my feelings is a waste of time.

I do not know where you live but NYC & NYS ( & probably other states) resemble "Lets Make A Deal" with what happens between Prosecution & Defense teams. Watch the movie " And Justice For All" to see what the justice system has become & that was many years ago.

To Ann Reinking Fan

Lass is the type of person I was telling you about & this type of person destroyed the old board. I will not let it happen again

I started this topic on a whim. I had no idea the whole thing would be hijacked. Let's get off it & go back to Broadway oriented topics.

Updated On: 6/19/03 at 10:33 PM

[Butch2]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:38pm

It is your obligation as a citizen. Perhaps if you are not prepared to meet your obligations as a citizen, you should renounce your citizenship. Required jury duty is as much of a law as is the law of free speech. Perhaps you are saying that all of those who fought and died to protect your nation, and your right to free speech, did so in vain? Perhaps you would prefer to move to Cuba or China?

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:41pm

Please this silliness has gone far enough

Have fun as I will go on to bigger & better things

Note: If you want to answer a post try answering what was in the original post instead of just attacking the poster without ever answering what was in my original post

Ta Ta. See you in the funny papers

[TheaterBaby]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:43pm

I wouldn't mind serving on Jury duty, but it is difficult when you live from paycheck to paycheck. I was called twice but excused both times because I was a student who went to college all year 'round (including summer classes); I still do I would have such a problem though because I would want to get up and argue the case while sitting in the juror box. LOL They would probably kick me out.

[McRuff]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 10:46pm

Why is there always a certain element that seems to exist just to attack Mr. Roxy? He has mentioned in threads that there were people who jumped all over him at Broadway.com every time he spoke the truth. Wake up, people. Look in the mirror at your own intolerance. The white, heterosexual male is an endangered species in this country, as Mr. Roxy once said and the people who jump all over him have very obvious special interest agendas.

Roxy, skip jury duty as a protest! It's what Thomas Paine and the great early American patriots would have done. I support your truth telling 110%!

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:00pm

Yep, people who hat intolerance and bigotry should be perfectly accepting of those bigotted and intolerant people and let them spread their hate prejudice anywhere they want to.

Once again, tolerance means NOT being acceptance of intolerance.

[AReinkingfan]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:02pm

I don't know... I am COMPLETELY for supporting those who defend freedom for this country, but I take serious issue with being FORCED to be a part of a judicial system that has NEVER supported my rights as a homosexual, let alone as a woman, EVER in my life. My rights are CONSTANTLY threatened. Yet I am supposed to jump at the chance for jury duty at a rate of $5.00 a day?? Can you live on that? I certainly cannot. Maybe if they would at least MATCH my current daily income (which isn't much to begin with, but a lot more than $5.00!), and provide true justice for ALL Americans, then I am in.

[TheaterBaby]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:10pm

Well I agree that they should just ask people to serve on jury duty rather than tell them. There are a lot of retired people, people out of work or on welfare who could use the $40 a day or whatever they pay, people who just need something to fill a void in their days. But no, they have to bring in a bunch of people who jump up to give their sob-story of why they can't be there as soon as the desk opens.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:14pm

Thanks Mc Ruff for your kind words of support

I am just ignoring certain individuals on this board as their agenda is to silence me

I feel sorry for you as your kind words of support will put you in the crosshairs & they will start spewing their hate at you. Some free advise: Ignore them & do not get into a pissing contest with them. Just make your statement & move on or else they will be all over you like flys on ****.

They destroyed the old board & I will not let them destroy this one. Just say your peace & move on. I will not visit this post again & I suggest you do the same.

I will look out for you in the future & vice versa . We will be the new dynamic duo. The truth hurts & as Jack Nicholson said in " A Few Good Men " You (They) Can't Handle The Truth"

Take Care , Good Buddy . To all others, I am going to bed so do not waste time putting more hate on this board. I am finished with this post but I have faith (sorry about using that word) you will search me out & continue to bust my chops. I have very thick skin & I am a big boy & I can take it

See you around the campus boys & girls

[McRuff]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:22pm

You, me and Brent Bozell, The Triumvirate of Truth, The NEW Three Musketeers. Sorry "ladies" and gents, don't kill the messengers, sometimes the truth hurts. But it IS the truth.

[TheaterBaby]

Posted: 6/19/03 at 11:42pm

Some of us didn't even post on the old board (or read it for that matter). It seems that some of you just can't move on. I'm sorry, but as someone who didn't go over there (even though I did sign up once upon a time), I really don't feel like getting stuck in the middle of old, peti arguments; and I'm sure some people who did post there would just like to start fresh and forget about that crap.

[robbiej]

Posted: 6/20/03 at 10:02am

I will reply to your thoughts, Mr. Roxy:

Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man lose his freedom.

That is the basis of our judicial system. Is it perfect? No. Why? Because it is run by fallible men and women. But you won't find perfect anywhere in this world Mr. Roxy, not if its something created by man.

Shame on all of you who wish to live in this country but not participate fully as citizens. Shame.

[badseed]

Posted: 6/20/03 at 12:30pm

Bravo, RobbieJ and Butch2!!! If only everyone understood this issue as well as you two! (sigh.)

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/20/03 at 1:25pm

Interesting that a post such as this should appear on a message board devoted to Broadway...but never the less a response seems to be in order.

I've served on Grand Jury three times and on the Petit Jury twice, and I can tell you it's not fun. However, the alternatives of trial without a jury seems to be even less appealing. As a citizen, Jury Duty ranks right up there with voting as something that is the responsibility of every citizen. You really shouldn't complain about the system if you don't participate in it. Ideally, a jury is made up of ones peers...but if your peers don't want to participate, then already you're right to a fair trial is diminished. If you were a defendant, wouldn't you rather have a jury made up of smart, free thinking individuals rather than as TheaterBaby suggested the bored retiree, or person on welfare?? And I'm not denigrating either of those two examples...it's just that jury duty shouldn't be left to the retired or unenmployed!

Mr. Roxy complains about, among other things, the colossal waste of time that a juror goes through. To that end...is it really surprising in a city of over 8 million people that the court calendars are backed up? Not to mention the fact that if the courts didn't have to waste their time dealing with people trying to get OUT of jury duty that perhaps things might move just a bit faster??? Nothing like being part of the problem...instead of part of the solution eh, Mr. Roxy??

The legal system in this country is far from perfect...I doubt that anyone would deny that. Innocent people are convicted, the guilty go free, antiquated laws that have been on the books for years, are still used to harass and sometimes deny people their rights, but nothing is going to change if you don't participate.

Mr. Roxy, you seem to like to frame yourself as the purveyor of TRUTH! Your truth, not necessarily the whole truth. When the argument gets too heated...or when not everyone agrees wholeheartedly with you, then suddenly you claim that you're under attack, and you defend yourself with the free speech argument. Free Speech is a two way street, not one way. If your views are not the same as mine, or others then we also have the right to voice our opinions.

To AReinkingFan, I know your frustration when you feel that the legal system has failed you when it comes to gay rights, however, if you look back over the past 20-30 years, you'll find that if it weren't for the legal system, we wouldn't be marching in the streets every June, ALL employees would still be discriminating against us, and that the Supreme Court wouldn't be considering the constituionality of the sodomy laws which they are doing now. None of these things would have happened out of the goodness of someone's heart. We have the legal system to thank for all of them. So don't take yourself out of the loop...participate, demonstrate...and work for your rights, they won't be given to you.

Long post I know...but it's an important subject.

Updated On: 6/20/03 at 01:25 PM

[TheaterBaby]

Posted: 6/20/03 at 2:55pm

I just want to clear one thing up; when I mentioned retired people and those without jobs, I also meant (although perhaps I should have said it flat out) average and above average citzens (doctors, office managers, Bankers, etc.). My point is, I think it should be up to us as United States citizens to volunteer our time on the jury, rather than being forced into it.
I will gladly serve Jury Duty once I am finished with school, but not everyone feels that way. One great thing about this country is freedom; but then they say if you don't show up for jury duty you will face a penalty. Well, that seems to go against what freedom is in my opinion.

[robbiej]

Posted: 6/20/03 at 3:18pm

I can't believe I'm going to get back into it, but, as JustAGuy points out (beautifully, I might add), it is an important topic.

As the saying goes, freedom is not free. The wonderful thing about a democracy is that those who are governed actually govern. We participate in the process of shaping laws and seeing them carried out. Is it always fun? No. But it is the foundation that our country is built upon. A jury must listen dispassionately to the case presented and then vote on guilt or innocence without prejudice (at least to the best of one's human ability). God forbid you ever find yourself being tried in front of a jury, do you really want people who volunteered to be there? Think about it. They may have an agenda or prejudice. Then you'd be up the creek w/o a paddle.

I, as a gay man, have on many occassions been disheartened by our lack of rights. But you don't sit back and play the victim. You work to change the laws and you make your voice heard.