Idea for iTunes and cast recordings + Wicked- Page 2

[neddyfrank2]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 12:35am

they make headlines by being one of the first ones to do it.


LOL! With a war in Iraq and a genocide in Darfur I don't think this will be making ANY headlines except for Playbill.com

Plus it would not be one of the first, Elaine Strich: At Liberty, Movin' Out etc.

[Fenchurch]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 12:37am

I meant headlines in the theater community and among record afficionados like us, as well as the teenybopper theater fans.

Those albums were great too, don't forget Bklyn the Musical.

[neddyfrank2]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 12:40am

Yes but teenybopper Wicked fans and us are not enough to make it worthwhile for them do make a full recording of the show.

[Fenchurch]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 1:21am

Maybe not a full pressing, but certainly an online only download.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 1:38am

. It got me thinking - why don't shows record complete live performances and put them on iTunes?

I miss being young and idealistic.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 1:43am

There have been shows where the "official recording" was a live performance; the London Man of La Mancha comes to mind, or the Sweeney DVD is a comparable situation. It doesn't make sense that people are arguing that it would ruin Broadway with illegal productions and such, because it's already been done.

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[Jellylorum]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 1:44am

Not only is a full recording with all the dialogue expensive, but will it be able to promote a show to people who haven't seen it? Maybe I'm the only one, but when I'm listening to a cast recording of a show I've never seen before, I have a tendency to skip over the spoken word tracks and songs with lengthy dialogue. They don't have much of a meaning to me when I haven't seen the show.

Updated On: 2/6/07 at 01:44 AM

[TWSFan4Ever]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:39am

Loge, don't be cheap! People should have to pay the price and go see the show. It's touring, it's in Chicago, it's on Broadway, it's in London, it's opening in LA, it's opening in Holland (I think that's it) at the end of 2007 and there's a scaled down, 30 minute production in Japan (which is soon to turn into a full scale one.)

Soon, people will be able to go to a city 15 minutes away from them and WICKED will be there.

[tazber]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:56am

It's true that this has been done a few times (Dreamgirls, Les Miz, Miss Siagon)but those are all shows where a significant amount of music could not fit on the cast recording. To record a book musical with the dialouge would be dicey.
Loge, you could always just check out the sript from the library.

[fairygodmother]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 8:32am

i think loge meant english language recordings (ie as opposed to the japanese/korean/swedish etc - but she didn't make it v clear.

i think its worth it in case like miss saigon, les mis - complete symphonic recordings, because they have a huge amount of music that wouldn't be included in your average hightlights. therefore sungthrough shows work well like this. but i agree - a book musical recording wouldn't have the same amount of pull for most people. in this way, you might as well just put a video of the show for all to see. and we know what the debates are on that!

[millie_dillmount]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 8:48am

Les Mis isn't a good example because it is a popular world-renowned production. Besides, the entire show is sung through, so a complete cast recording works for the show.

[achancetofly]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 12:52pm

Wow, I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted yet, considering the original poster mentioned that they had a bootleg...

[dramaqueen2]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:28pm

oh good lord..

seriously.. if you have to ask as to why this would never work.. you must be seriously in the dark.

[TWSFan4Ever]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:38pm

(Waits for this thread to get DELETED.)

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:39pm

*is puzzled that this is at 2 pages*

*wonders why parentheses have replaced asterisks*

[Fenchurch]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:46pm

*stumbles around in the dark*
but still finds NO legitimate reason from anyone on this board why this couldn't be feasible.

No one has to make a fortune, but it could be profitable if unions and producers weren't so money hungry, they can still make a profit and give the public what they want.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:50pm

weren't so money hungry

Exactly. Still throws a wrench into feasibility.

[B3TA07]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 5:51pm

Then talk to the unions and producers?

[Loge]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 6:22pm

1. ALL four recordings of Les Miz I mentioned are in English. Please tell me how I have this wrong, since I have them all (Broadway, London, Concert, Complete).

2. I am not obsessed with Wicked, or any musical for that matter. I was merely stating we are not like the average musical fans, in that we are all here posting all the time.

3. If someone thinks I am too cheap to buy a ticket to fly to see a show, then maybe you should buy my ticket. Just because I haven't seen Wicked, doesn't mean I haven't seen other shows.

4. It's just a ding-dang-dong topic for discussion. The one thing I hate about this blasted board is that people can't have a simple discussion without trying to make someone feel stuipd or that their post is meritless. If you don't like a post - don't read it, don't reply - simple.

5. I fail to see how recording a show live, and not produce any physical CD would be so costly. Maybe I don't understand!

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[SahDu]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 6:52pm

1. You are correct. Whoever said that "only two are English" was simply splitting hairs.

2. I understand what you meant by this. You were referring to Broadway and the musical in general, not a particular show.

4. Couldn't agree more.

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[luvliza89]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:38pm

"It would cost litte to produce."

Exactly, even if a show is recorded live it's still costly.

[insert from another thread by the lovely MargoChanning]:
"For Broadway, however, studio or no studio, under Equity rules you STILL have to pay every performer the equivalent of I believe, two weeks salary for the performance. And I imagine the Musician's union will make sure that their players will get a couple of weeks salary as well (not using studio musicians doesn't mean you won't have to pay the live unionized musicians EXACTLY the same rate). There will still be costs for engineering and remastering the recording digitally, as well as the manufacturing (pressing the CD, making the CD inserts and jewel boxes, cover art), and distribution costs.

Altogether, because of all the union minimums involved, you're still looking at a six-figure cost (though perhaps a bit less with a very small show), even to produce and distribute a crappy sound board recording of a show (and you can completely forget about the League of American Theaters, producers, theatre owners, Equity, the musicians union et al EVER allowing anyone to make their own bootleg recordings of a show -- it will absolutely NEVER happen)."

AND if the performers, etc already got paid for a regular cast album, they'd have to get paid again for a live one. It's hard enough to get a cast album made, but that plus a full live one - pshhh dream on.

[neddyfrank2]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:40pm

1. You are correct. Whoever said that "only two are English" was simply splitting hairs.

Actually when someone refers to an English recording they are usually talking about a West-End recording.

[SahDu]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:45pm

However, that was not the case with Loge, as we clear from the listed CDs.

Updated On: 2/15/14 at 07:45 PM

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 7:45pm

the funny thing about this whole argument is that I remember reading when the Wicked CD was first released that the cuts were made to the songs in most cases to avoid giving too much of the plot away. at that time not very many people knew much about the show and listening to the CD got you acquainted with the songs and a little bit of the story, but not the full synopsis. which was why they also didn't include a synopsis in the CD booklet because they wanted people to come to the show and find out. so I think even if it became more common for shows to record their albums live and include at least the whole score the producers of Wicked would not be eager to jump on to that wagon.

[neddyfrank2]

Posted: 2/6/07 at 8:00pm

However, that was not the case with Loge, as we clear from the listed CDs.

She said she had for english recordings. Only two of them were english.

Eng·lish [ing-glish or, often, -lish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of England or its inhabitants, institutions, etc.
2.belonging or pertaining to, or spoken or written in, the English language.

english language

noun
an Indo-European language belonging to the West Germanic branch; the official language of Britain and the United States and most of the commonwealth countries [syn: English]

If you would like to read about the origin of the English Language in Britain, I have posted a link.
http://www.reference.com/browse/columbia/Englsh-lan