La CRAP Aux Flops — Page 3

I'm pleased to see that a couple of the most revolting posts I have ever seen here have been removed. CurtainUp2 is indeed a child. However, seeing the narrow minds present by some of the posters on this thread, I'm not suprised. If my friends see a show and tell me what they think, I have every right to report it as does anyone other member.

It's someone's review..it's someone's opinion. They have all the right to say what they feel. Immature interjections just prove how immature you are.

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And to clarify--none of my posts in this thread were deleted.

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pab--a very intelligent post on the subject. :)

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jrb--I'm not sure that I can agree with you about an embargo on negative comments during previews. I certainly don't think that a negative comment during previews represents a "lack of respect" for artists or the creative process. Indeed, isn't thoughtful criticism during previews the very point of having previews? If a person is going to choose not to see a show solely because of negative comments on a chat room thread what does it matter if the comment is posted during previews or during the regular run?

I will say that I saw Pacific Overtures this week and chose not to make any comments yet as many of my criticisms relate to flaws that will likely dissipate with more performance time, but I think that during previews is a perfectly legitimate time to identify a weak performance or a poorly conceived idea. No?

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bta--you make some very smart points.

More than anything it's the nastiness and cattiness that is unneeded. Some people just thrive on that I guess. It's actually pretty sad.

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ma--my point is that criticism does not equal cattiness and nastiness. That's why I spat with Tut.

And there are posters on this board who can tell you that everything we say on this board gets back to the people. And it HAS hurt some feelings.

Not cool.

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Updated On: 11/20/04 at 03:21 PM

I'm glad that everyone agrees that everyone has a right to their opinions.
It's just amazing that those who start crap like to suddenly act pure and innocent. Sad really.

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Because *that's* just oh so respectful...

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Evelyn, you are so right. After surviving all those insipid BKLYN posts, here we have someone posting an intelligent, well-thought review of their opinion.

And who attacks them? People who have not even seen the show. People who just want to start trouble for the sake of making trouble. It's sick. They're criticizing someone who has actually seen the show and offers their opinion..and they haven't seen it themselves nor do they offer any comments of value. Posts like CurtainUp and jrb have added nothing to this discussion. I appreciate those who have actually somehting of value to say and always will.

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My dear curtain...your implication is that no one could dislike the show unless they had ulterior motives. No opinion is valid except yours...all others have some part in a big conspiracy..Nevermind the fact that I have a read a number of similar reviews.

It really does sound ridiculous..because it is.

No Ma. That's not what I said or was trying to imply. This is...

"I have a sneaking suspicion that more than a few folk around here have ulterior motives for wanting a show to fail or succeed. Imagine that."

That does not imply that "no one could dislike the show unless they had ulterior motives", nor, as Tutts states in his response, that "EVERYONE who doesn't like the show has ulterior motives". What I said is that I suspect there a MORE THAN A FEW people around here who have ulterior motives for wanting a show to FAIL OR SUCCEED. The fact that I stated "fail or succeed" indicates that I was not solely referring to La Cage or to this thread, but was making a general statement about the possible motives some people might have in posting a postive or negative review of a show. I take raves (i.e. BKLYN, Wicked, etc.) with as few grains of salt as I take pans (i.e. Dracula, La Cage, etc.) That, to clarify for you, is what I was saying. As for my opinion that La Cage is going to be a big, fat, fabulous hit; that's a hunch based on the two previews I attended, my enjoyment of it, the audience reaction at both shows, and intuition based on forty plus years of theatre-going. In no way did I imply that my opinion was worth any more (or less) than anyone else's. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comments.

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Updated On: 11/21/04 at 03:26 AM

I actually enjoyed Matt G's review of the show. It was posted a few postings back. It was a nice contrast to Mr T's review. Both reviews, while differing, offered substance . . . not name calling or references to conspiracy or the unkindness of criticsm.

And curtain, I was not trying to quote you...thus the word "implication." And I believe your subsequent postings revealed that's exactly what you meant. Like the show, love it, praise it, but offer something a little more substantial than "it's fabulous" with no explanation before you dismiss other people's opinion as unworthy.

Sorry Evelyn, but the last time I checked, I was under no obligation that I know of to play by your rules and your rules alone. I'm also not under any obligation to give an in depth review of every show that I see. If, and when, I'm in the mood to, then fine, I will. If I'm not in the mood, or I don't have the time, then I won't. Frankly, there are a few too many people who have an exagrerated sense of self-importance and feel that the world can't live without hearing what they've got to say about everything and anything. I, for one, can live without the amateur, blow by blow, song by song, scene by scene, reaccountments of shows, that pass for reviews, by people with little or no talent of their own. I also can live without snide and bitchy thread titles like "La CRAP aux folles", especially when a show has just started previews and is still being fine-tuned and undergoing changes. But, the bottom line is, if you don't find unsubstantiated statements like "it's going to be a big, fat, fabulous hit", of any help or interest, then feel free to ignore them. But, if that's all I feel like saying or sharing, then that's exactly what I'll do.

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Updated On: 11/21/04 at 09:13 AM