Licensing Question - Need Advice

[Thparkaly]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#1

Posted: 4/6/13 at 10:30am

So I hate to be THAT person, but there is a community theatre near me that is doing a lot of things that I know breaks their contracts with MTI or whatever company they are licensing the show from this time. This makes me really uncomfortable. What should I do? Do I tell the rights-holders? Do I stay quiet?

Keep in mind, I have nothing against this group, and its not a revenge situation.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#2

Posted: 4/6/13 at 10:32am

How extreme are the changes, if any, to the material? Are unauthorized video or audio recordings being sold? What is the situation here?

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Updated On: 4/6/13 at 10:32 AM

[Michael Bennett]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#2

Posted: 4/6/13 at 10:54am

You can send an email (anonymously if you like) to the licensing house for the musical.

[Thparkaly]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#3

Posted: 4/6/13 at 11:59am

Well to begin with: They sell video recordings, use backing tracks (like Stage Stars) instead of a live pit, resulting in changes to the score including deletion of numbers. They also use photocopied scripts and scores, which makes me doubt that they even obtained the rights. How do I send an anonymous email to them?

[Wilmingtom]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#4

Posted: 4/6/13 at 12:30pm

Why does it need to be anonymous? The licensing house will protect your identity. But if you're uncomfortable then create a gmail account. I agree with you that the situation is irritating, especially considering that most companies do the right thing.

[Thparkaly]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#5

Posted: 4/6/13 at 12:38pm

I will most likely write an email to them. I was in one of their productions, and I felt very uncomfortable with what they were doing the entire time. They are doing Shrek now, and I know they got the rights (checked with MTI's find a show thing), but I've NEVER seen them do a production with live music in 10 years. As far as I know, MTI doesn't offer an accompaniment CD for the show.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#6

Posted: 4/6/13 at 12:40pm

This wouldn't happen to be a production of Chorus Line with a cast of 60, would it?

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[Wilmingtom]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#7

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:07pm

MTI only offers accompaniment CDs for their Jr. adaptations.

[darquegk]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#8

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:08pm

There are companies like TheMTPit that offer specially-designed show-specific backing track solutions that REQUIRE a license from MTI or such to use.

That said, it doesn't sound like this place is using anything so professional.

[Yero my Hero]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#9

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:31pm

^ I was going to point that out as well. MT Pit will not license you their tracks unless you show them a copy of your contract with the orchestrations rental included.

I have also distributed photocopies of scripts for shows I've produced. It doesn't mean I did not obtain the rights to the show. I received the large box of scripts and scores, but I have found that it is much easier, and the actors prefer, to work off photocopies in binders than the original scripts. For one thing, I don't have to worry about scripts getting damaged or lost, thus losing my deposit.

It might be worth looking into, but what you are saying made you uncomfortable does not necessarily indicate anything illegal or unethical.

Edit: I just looked it up on MT Pit, and they list SHREK, but state that it will not be available until July. Still, this theater could be using a different company, and any legitimate company that provides orchestral performance tracks should require a licensing contract.

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Updated On: 4/6/13 at 01:31 PM

[Wilmingtom]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#10

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:47pm

"...but what you are saying made you uncomfortable does not necessarily indicate anything illegal or unethical."

Selling videos is a major infraction.

[NotAnotherSN]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#11

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:50pm

I think the only legitimately worrisome thing that you brought up was selling video recordings, which I think you're completely within your right to email MTI about.

[Yero my Hero]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#12

Posted: 4/6/13 at 1:51pm

That's true, you're right, I did forget the OP said that. That is pretty bad, but it does not mean they never obtained the rights to perform the show in the first place.

Find me any school or community theater that does not sell videos of their productions to the cast and crew. It may be against the contract, but depending on the theater involved, is probably one of those things that the licensing agencies turn a blind eye to.

Selling recordings to the public is different than selling videos to the cast and crew as a memento (maybe not legally, but ethically anyway), and it is not clear from the OP which it is in this case.

Nothing matters but knowing nothing matters. ~ Wicked
Everything in life is only for now. ~ Avenue Q
There is no future, there is no past. I live this moment as my last. ~ Rent

"He's a tramp, but I love him."

Updated On: 4/6/13 at 01:51 PM

[Wilmingtom]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#13

Posted: 4/6/13 at 2:28pm

They do turn a blind eye to providing videos to the cast, crew, parents, etc. With the advent of home video it became all but impossible to regulate parents filming their little darlings. But selling them in the lobby? Absolutely not. To begin with it's very seldom that a licensing company acquires the rights to license video or film reproductions, especially if those rights have been granted to a motion picture company i.e. The Sound of Music, Brigadoon, Rent, My Fair Lady... In the last decade they have managed to obtain LIMITED video rights for newer titles, but you can't abuse those rights. Many years ago the high school production of Guys & Dolls which starred teenager John Travolta showed up on a local cable outlet in NJ and all hell broke loose.

[Thparkaly]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#14

Posted: 4/6/13 at 2:58pm

They sell the video in the lobby. It is not only within the cast.

@Yero I normally wouldn't mind the photocopying of scripts for the cast, but even the directors had them! I never once saw anything sent by the licensing company.

[trentsketch]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#15

Posted: 4/6/13 at 3:07pm

It's easy to check if they licensed the show. Go to the MTI site and see if that company is listed in upcoming productions.

It's not uncommon to photocopy the script and score on a licensed show. Actors like to highlight and production staff like to write in pen or multiple colors to keep track of notes and direction. It does not mean the show was not licensed. If it's a community theater, the material was probably shipped to someone's house rather than the theater or rehearsal space.

Even better. MTI just start licensing stage manager scripts. These are single sided photocopies on 8.5x11 paper designed to be written on with pen and highlighters. They could have licensed the stage manager script and copied that for the cast, as well.

As for the canned music, it could have been licensed. 24 of their shows have Orchextra, which is intended to fill in for missing parts or replace a live orchestra for a production. Another 18 have full accompaniment CDs. If it was just synth piano sounds, it could have been Rehearscore. 66 shows have the digitized orchestrations so you can set tempos and rehearse with all the orchestral sounds. They are not intended to be used live.

Updated On: 4/6/13 at 03:07 PM

[Thparkaly]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#16

Posted: 4/6/13 at 3:09pm

The tracks they use are very obviously made by Stage Stars and other karaoke companies. When I did Joseph with them, it matched the tracks I already had from Stage Stars.

[ucjrdude902]

Licensing Question - Need Advice#17

Posted: 4/6/13 at 3:21pm

I choreographed a massive high school production of "High School Musical' a few years back. MTI provided instrumental tracks as well a form to be signed if we wanted to record it for cast members if I can recall correctly. The only thing I do remember is MTI didn't play with altering a script or cutting numbers.