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#252

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I'll take your ticket for Monday off your hands, Mama, if you want to donate it to a cynical blogger in need. =)
#253

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I honestly feel that the this is one of the greatest musical theatre scores to emerge over the last quarter of a century.

Really? Out of all the musicals since 1985, this is one of the greatest scores? I listened to it and I did not get that feeling at all. It wouldn't even occur to me. I don't think it's Lloyd Webber's worst or that it's especially awful, but I would certainly put it at the lower end of the Lloyd Webber spectrum of scores. Personally, I don't think he's had a really cohesive score since Sunset Boulevard. Some good individual songs, but not strong complete scores.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#254

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

That's exactly what I've been saying.
not since Sunset has he had a cohesive score.

This one has some really nice music, but it does not gell into one unit like Sunset or Phantom1 and somewhat Evita.

The others before Phantom are mostly a collection of songs (JCS, Joseph Cats)

Re-listening to the CD, I prefer act 1 musically over act 2. It almost fells to me like act 2 needs another song or something. The Dressing room scenes are mainly stringing together tunes we've heard already.

I really want this to be a success, they may have to do with it what they did with Sunset (OLC vs LA)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27199361@N08/ Phantom at the Royal Empire Theatre
#255

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Im going to reserve judgement on the show as a whole until I have seen the actual show in a couple of months, BUT I have heard the CD.

Greatest score? no. But it isnt bad, but as Mama loves Priscilla im not trusting her judgement on this! lol ;o)

Act 2 I think flows better, Act 1 sort of falls flat when the Phantom and Christine meet. Musically its strong, lyrically though its not very subtle. The originals lyrics were almost poetic, Glenn Slater sadly is more heavy handed, and it is sometimes only the extreme talent of the cast that pulls it off.

Yes there is a lot of WIW and a bit of Sunset, but so what?! Alan Menken and Sondheim (yes im daring to say it) all can sound similar at times. Alan Menken especially is guilty of this, much of the new songs for Mermaid sounded like they were striaght from BATB. I do love how little hints of the original Phantom score crop up now and again, although it does make you realise how brilliant the first one was and this, while very good, doesnt have that 'wow' factor.

Not a huge lover of the story, I dont think a sequal was ever really needed, but its been done so you have to judge it on its merits. Take the story with a pinch of salt, and enjoy it for what it is, a lush melodrama.

The downside to melodrama can be you need skilled actors to pull it off without it sounding OTT. Ive seen the original Phantom with casts that overacted and thus made it almost laughable, and then again with a different cast and its been real and belivable. Luckily, at the moment, the cast (on the CD at least) make it work.

Note to Glenn Slater: There are other words other than 'beautiful'!
#256

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

There is one element of this score that is stronger than Phantom of the Opera. It's not nearly as top-heavy. Phantom of the Opera only introduces three new songs in the second act with Past the Point of No return being the weakest number of the entire show, in my opinion. It's the only song I really can't stand on any level and I tend to doze off during that scene. For me, nothing about the music, staging or lyrics is especially interesting until after an unbearable amount of time, Christine finally exposes him and we can watch something happen. And I've always found Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again effective on stage (though dramatically, it grinds the show to a halt), but I always skip it on the CD.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#257

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Mama you made me laugh for the first time this week!

There's no doubt the orchestrations are fine, but on re-listens the show seems bombastic (love that word) and very uneven.

I suspect, though, that the critics will not pan it because:

1. They looked like idiots for not praising Phantom 1 enough
2. They will be swayed by political/commercial pressure to support a new British score.

The pity is, some people make out like only ALW is producing new British scores. The truth is, there are plenty of quality new musicals out there- they just can't get bankrolled.

Stiles & Drewe have a whole trunk full of unproduced gems- Tutankamen for instance!
#258

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Joseph and JCS were not musically cohesive as a score? Really?
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#261

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

The lyrics by Charles Hart for The Phantom of the Opera are far more haunting and spine-chilling than Glen Slaters recent contributions, which allowed the Phantom to work on a intense psychological level, this is missing from Love Never Dies, or am I wrong?

Here are a few examples, of Charles Hart's marvellous lyrics;

"Master?
Passarino - go away!
For the trap is set and waits for its prey ...
You have come here in pursuit of your deepest urge, in pursuit of that wish, which till now has been silent, silent"

-The Chandelier Crash-

"Insolent boy, this slave of fashion,
Basking in your glory!
Ignorant fool, this brave young suitor,
Sharing in my triumph!"

- The Mirror (The Angel of Music)-

" Flattering child, you shall know me. See why in shadow I hide. Look at your face in the mirror. I am there inside."
- The Mirror (The Angel of Music)-

"Did I not instruct that Box Five was to be kept empty?"
-Poor Fool, He Makes Me Laugh-

"Your part is silent, little toad!
A toad, madame? Perhaps it is you who are the toad ..."

-Poor Fool, He Makes Me Laugh-

"Down once more to the dungeon of my black despair"-
-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer

"Down we plunge to the prison of my mind Down that path into darkness,
deep as HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, you ask,
was I bound and chained
in this cold and dismal place?
Not for any mortal sin
but the wickedness of my abhorrent face"

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"That fate, which condemns me to wallow in blood
Has also denied me the joys of the flesh...
This face, the infection which poisons our love . . ."

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Wait! I think, my dear, we have a guest Sir."
-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"this is indeed an unparalleled delight
I had rather hoped that you would come
And now my wish comes true (Holds Christine close)
You have truly made my night!"

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Your lover makes a passionate plea."
-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"The world showed no compassion to me!"
-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Be my guest, sir...
(He pulls the lever, opening the gate. Raoul enters)
Monsieur, I bid you welcome
Did you think that I would harm her?
(Reaches into the water and takes out something)
Why would I make her pay
for the sins which are YOURS?!!!"

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Order your fine horses now
Raise up your hand to the level of your eyes
Nothing can save you now, except perhaps Christine."

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Too late for turning back, Too late for prayers and useless pity."
-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"Past all hope of cries of help,
No point in fighting
For either way you choose, You cannot win."

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

"So do you end your days with me
Or do you send him to his GRAVE?"

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-

And lastly one of the most emotional moving lyrics ever to be written in musical theatre.
"This face, which earned a mother's fear and loathing
A mask, my first unfeeling scrap of clothing."

-Down Once More, Track Down the Murderer-








Updated On: 3/6/10 at 07:19 AM

#262

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I was really against this but after hearing a few songs im really starting to love (what im hearing). Ramin is great.

I adore beneath a moonless sky. I hope it does reasonably well at least.

so far how is it selling?
#263

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Interesting article in yesterdays Times in which ALW talks of how online forums and blogs don't help the marketing of a new show, with reference to the many people, who haven't actually seen LND, but still feel they can criticise it.

He also adds that there's an old adage in musical theatre that you don't book your tickets for at least a month into the run. We're going on April 16th - I figured we'd give them at least a month to get it right.

Oh, and I absolutely love the score.

Updated On: 3/7/10 at 07:52 AM

#264

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

If he's true to his word, then he ought to run the show for a month in the space before opening to the public. Otherwise he has admitted selling something he considers not fit for use.
The man's in dreamland. (And that's being charitable).

PS I bet he wouldn't be bitching if the chatrooms were singing his glories.
#265

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Whilst I agree with what he says, LND really has awoken the Phantom crazies, his comment about the previews pissed me off.

I know its common place now, but if your charge full price I dont give a flying fig whether your ready or not, by setting your prices at that price you are saying its as good as after opening night.

As a theatre geek, like most people who frequent forums etc, I would neevr see a show until after opening because I know what happens in previews. But we make up a tiny percentage of the audience, the general public (quite rightly) will expect a finished product and will judge on what they see. Majority of theategoers dont know what 'previews' mean

Nichola Mcaulif (spelling?!) said something similar when she did CHitty, she annoyed me then too!
#266

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Hey Princeton - I'm sure that more than a few people were ticked off by ALW's comments (just reading some of the posts here and elsewhere)

I've kind of gone back and forth on that. On the one hand, I can understand people's frustration to hear that the show isn't "frozen" and still open to alterations during previews when they are paying full throttle.

But then again - no one is forcing people to buy those tickets at those prices.

It's a risk you take with a new show
--- is it good enough that you will tell people you were at the VERY FIRST PREVIEW of something that turns out to be a highly successful thing like the original Phantom (and you can tell how many things were changed from that first preview!!)

--- will the show be such a collossal failure that right after it's opening it closes (and hence you're glad you went to see it in previews and got to see it so you can say you were there -- being in the US,I still kick myself I didn't drive to Washington DC to see the out of town tryout of the Hal Prince directed Whistle Down the Wind)

--- or will it be somewhere in between - a show of mixed success that was hyped to the max, opened to mixed reviews, made some alterations of moderate note and that's it (like Sunset Blvd which cut the "Charlie Chaplin" scene in "The Lady's Paying" re did the finale, etc. - only to get a thorough re-working when it came to the US)

Time will indeed tell what area Love Never Dies falls. But I guess I cannot fault ALW for charging full prices during this pre-opening time or even right after it opens. It's one reason I as a huge ALW fan didn't fly over to London to see this. I'm hopeful it will be a great show and come to NY as planned in the Fall. That's the risk I'm taking.

For "theatre geeks" - whether ALW liked it or not, they have been the "go - to" people for two weeks over a show that there's a lot of international interest in. Cannot blame ALW for getting top dollar out of them...

Just some thoughts...
Jim
#267

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

Hi Chernjam, your clearly a big ALW fan (as am I) and ive often agreed with your posts. But I can still see when the guy is at fault.

Simple question is, what other product in any walk of life would people be expected to pay top money for? Would you see a movie in rough edit and pay cinema prices?

You are quite right, no one is forcing people to pay those prices. However if people are paying top price for something, they have the RIGHT to talk openly about their feelings on that product and not make allowances for previews. Shows are now advertised 'performances begin .....', there is no longer any mention of previews and opening nights etc. If ALW was concerned about the show bot being ready and audiences not getting the full picture, reduce the previews thus making it clear things are being tweaked.
#268

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

hmmm - that's a good point princeton, I get what you're saying on that. I suppose if ALW wasn't complaining about it, it would be a bit different. I'm guessing these PR people are still trying to figure out how best to take all the interest and turn it into good buzz. They clearly were unprepared for some of the obsessed "phans" of the original who hated this from the mere mention of a sequel. So I suppose it's Opening Night jitters with the addition of some negative posts (there have been a lot of positive ones too lest people forget) The ultimate test will if it continues to sell out once it has officially opened
#269

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

very interesting discussion!

everybody has valid points. The phantom crazies are certainly proving to be odd as hell. I remember a boss of mine when I worked in new york, used to tell the story of a lady flying in from kentucky every weekend to see phantom FOR 10 YEARS, when he worked for cameron mackintosh.

what I just dont understand is if you hate it so much why use so much energy bellyaching about. Just ignoring it and pretending it doesnt exist, I would think would be easier. its like kids sticking fingers in their ears going lalalalalala. Let it go or going see phantom1 1000 more times and make sure that sells more.

Hell I at first was like "a sequel? come the f**k on" but since hearing the music I really wanna see it.
#270

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I did see Whistle Down The Wind in DC, twice, it had a few fixable problems but the cast was perfect and you don't get better staging than Hal Prince, it was a thousand times better in London! if I had waited for NY I would never had this rare experience & the U.S. tour died before I got to see it so I would definitely recommend seeing a show as soon as possible or you may never get a chance!
#272

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

RSrichie, What version of Whistle Down The Wind did you see, did you see the original at The Aldwych or did you see the revival at The Palace?
#273

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

I saw the third preview of LND. I am hearing from someone who went late last week that little has changed (on comparing notes). The final scene has been shortened (Meg Giry's) reaction to the denoument is a little different).

The Phantom (or Mr Y as he is in this piece) no longer plays bartender. I know he felt that he was able to 'walk among men' (according to Fleck) but this went a bit far. Apparently he now does a 'quick change' with the real bartender just to surprise Raoul.

I am also hearing (purely hearsay) that this production will be re-worked before a Broadway opening on the basis that such august organs as The New York Times would rip it to shreds in its current form. That may be a little premature - we'll have to hear what the critics in London make of it first.

The show was apparently 'frozen' at last Friday evening's performance and critics will have therefore been able to see it from then on in order to form their opinion.

I forgot to ask the person who saw it later whether the things we hear about in the prologue but don't feature in the show have been excised. Fleck goes on about 'after the master disappeared with the child....after the fire that consumed everything....' We don't see any of that though, which seemed a bit strange! That must be Phantom 3 - The Revenge!




#274

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

RS tell us more about the Washington WdtW- I know very little about it. How was the set design?

The London show was one of my least favourite ALWs and the set, though big, was rather clunky.

For me, Hal Prince is the Man- best director of musicals I can think of (though that's an issue for another thread), so I'd love to hear about his production.
#275

Love Never Dies -Adelphi Theatre, London 2010

is this getting already ripped by critics in london? ive only read a few which were mostly positive cept for saying it was a little scatterbrained in part, or just hemming and hawwing its a sequel.

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