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Male power ballbads
bbroadwaybb
Stand-by Joined: 10/12/04
#50re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/29/05 at 10:16pm
GV - Sometimes mixy, sometimes full belt. I'm specifically remembering Wouldn't It Be Nice.
JC Superstar - you would sound like an IDIOT doing anything up there in falsetto. There are ways of singing up there without shreading yourself. Listen to any recording of Pity The Child.
#51re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/29/05 at 10:33pmThey may be hitting c's in Good Vibrations, but hell, listen to a recording of the Four Seasons with freaking Franki Valli, they hit super duper high notes. But I wouldnt want to hear them sing a solo ballad in that voice. I did Jesus CHrist Superstar for an entire summer, and singing 8 shows a week is much different than in a recording studio, believe me. And again, the dude from AC/DC could scream out" I dont know HOW to love him", but I certainly wouldnt want to hear him sing Love Changes Everything..lol .
#52re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/29/05 at 10:39pmyeah... I can only go up to an A in mixed voice... everything abouve that (On a good day) is liek barely audible falsetto...)but I am working on a B and a C... but when I did Superstar the guy who played Jesus was a freak of nature, and could (I have no idea how he did it..) like rock/falsetto/belt (which is a contraditction in terms) liek high E's and F's... he even didn't know how he did it... but he was amazing. Judases veried... some amazing... some...not... but the best Jusdas I've seen (the run was three months) ended up totally screwing up his voice, and coughing up blood backstage by the end of the run... it was painful. But with the right training/genetics... you can too be a freak of nature.
bbroadwaybb
Stand-by Joined: 10/12/04
#53re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/29/05 at 10:53pm
With the right training, anyone can do it. There are tons of guys, who never are asked to do it, who can sing up there. It's more common than a "freak voice". And not that hard to learn. It's the same thing as all these girls coming out of the woodwork beltinh the high Fs in Defying Gravity. They always could, now they have a song to belt that high with.
Coughing up blood is insane. There are healthy ways of singing that stuff.
#54re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/29/05 at 11:08pm
I did mean freak voice in the nicest way possible by the way... more like incredibly gifted,
and I agree that it's insane... jsut how long does it take to develop a voice like that... like 10 years? 15?
bbroadwaybb
Stand-by Joined: 10/12/04
#55re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/30/05 at 12:01am
I knew what you meant by freak voice.
It depends on your voice and your teacher. I would say a couple years. It's basically a really chesty mix. Much like what women do. Whether you listen to Sam Harris or Edan Espinosa, neither is fully "belting." But they are exceptional mixes.
#56re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/30/05 at 12:02amright... and I'm starting work on my opera voice... which should helpo with power...
TheBalladeer
Broadway Star Joined: 7/27/03
#57re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/30/05 at 11:37am
"JC Superstar - you would sound like an IDIOT doing anything up there in falsetto."
Well, then I guess Ted Neely and Steve Balsamo TOTALLY sounded like idiots as Jesus singing in Gethsemane.
Anyway, I don't care what you say.....even with training to sing up there, the voice quality that would be the result of training to sing up there versus the quality that people want to hear in JCS is two different things. The edgy, raw, ROCK quality/sound that is most typically heard and expected in JCS is different that a trained/operatic voice that would be neccessary to sing that high. And even that would NOT be enough to sing that up there 8 times a week for a sustained period in FULL VOICE. That is just insane.
I am SURE that Judas' and Jesus' who do long runs of JCS find a way to compromise and suit things for their voices in order to maintain stamina and vocal longevity. That would NOT require belting out those notes every night like that.
You are right about mixing - the rock falsetto is similar to that. It is different from regular falsetto.
Julian - your Judas coughing up blood? That's rough.
Lastly, I would just say that the FEMALE voice and the MALE voice are totally different, and work totally different. The same rules don't really apply.
Cheers,
The Balladeer
bbroadwaybb
Stand-by Joined: 10/12/04
#58re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/30/05 at 12:05pm
Ted Neeley and Steve Balsamo are singing in mixes - not pure falsetto.
It may go against what you have been taught, but the male and female voices can and are trained similarly these days - listen to the current sound on Broadway.
#59re: Male power BALLADS
Posted: 8/30/05 at 6:26pmalso, I've found that the male voice usually lies higher than a female's. I mean... when I'm singing along with some recordings that are deemed, high for women... I can sing them in my normal range? And only when the go WAY up there... do I start to have to falsettize? So they're very different.
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