Norbert Leo Butz vs Leo Norbert Butz???

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 11:01am

Something that has bothered me forever.....Everywhere online, Norbert Leo Butz is credited as "Leo Norbert Butz" on As Long As You're Mine on the Original Broadway Cast Recording of Wicked. On all other songs he is credited correctly as Norbert Leo Butz. Why is that?? It's consistently marked as that across all iTunes/Spotify/etc. -- can't confirm if it's that way on the physical album booklet because I don't have it -- but seems weird right? Does anyone have any insight?

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 11:25am

It's Norbert Leo Butz.

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 11:27am

Yeah I know! That's why I'm confused as to why he's credited as Leo Norbert Butz on the one song.

[BroadwayNYC2]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 12:06pm

I don’t see it listed like that anywhere

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 12:09pm

It's listed that way on Spotify and Apple Music, take a look here: 

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4FLAGAmlaOUyMvOfMnhjw5

https://music.apple.com/kz/artist/leo-norbert-butz/id4426849

[JSquared2]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 12:16pm

dancingthrulife1752 said: "Yeah I know! That's why I'm confused as to why he's credited as Leo Norbert Butz on the one song."

There's no deep hidden meaning --- just someone "f*cked up.

 

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 12:18pm

Yeah, just seems weird that it's not been fixed after so long -- and it was listed the same way on the 2018 anniversary edition.

[gypsy101]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 8:05pm

huh that is kind of strange!

i’ve always wondered why even have his first and middle name in his stage name. are there any other Norbert Butzes acting?

Updated On: 9/15/20 at 08:05 PM

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 9:08pm

I wonder why too! Another question that needs answering -- albeit a less strange one I suppose 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 9/15/20 at 9:59pm

Norbert Leo Butz sounds infinitely better than Norbert Butz.

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 9:49am

Lol true!

[veronicamae]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 10:08am

dancingthrulife1752 said: "It's listed that way on Spotify and Apple Music, take a look here:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4FLAGAmlaOUyMvOfMnhjw5

https://music.apple.com/kz/artist/leo-norbert-butz/id4426849"

I'm confused - it clearly says NORBERT LEO BUTZ if you look at the Wicked album on Spotify. The link you provided is a search result to "Leo Norbert Butz" and Spotify is smart enough to suggest what it thought you meant. What this looks like is that Norbert['s representation] actually should do is go in and claim this artist profile to remove it.

His actual artist profile is right here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2LEinBhufpsqT17c5XYomF

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 11:08am

Look at the specific track here! 

https://open.spotify.com/track/3IvflXoxqRVwNvpKhjIOv6

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 11:09am

And on Apple Music here https://music.apple.com/kz/album/as-long-as-youre-mine/1440757981?i=1440758706

[JBroadway]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 11:35am

It's hard to know why this mistake hasn't been fixed in 16+ years without knowing the ins and outs of the recording business. I personally don't know anything about how album credits work in the music industry, but is it possible that there are some union rules (or something) about changing credits once they've been published? Maybe they made this mistake on the original release of the album, and Spotify and Itunes aren't legally allowed to deviate from it? And maybe this rule even prevents the producers of the album to change it after the fact? 

That's just a wild guess, and again, I have no knowledge of the music industry. But I just can't think offhand of another reason for it. We know it's wrong, and we know it hasn't been fixed in the 16 years that the album has been out. And there's no way they haven't noticed it. So there must be some obstacle, even if the obstacle I theorized isn't accurate.

The only other explanations I can think of:

(1) It was done as a joke with all parties on board

(2) Norbert Leo has a secret twin named Leo Norbert. 

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 12:08pm

That's what I'm thinking! Glad to know someone is on the same page lolol 

[veronicamae]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 1:26pm

You're so passionate about this.

Then I'll go on to add some industry knowledge:

Fixing such things is not as simple as someone opening a file and renaming it. In order to change it, because it was wrong when it was first delivered to music services (which usually happens simultaneously through one singular file upload delivery service), it would have to be delivered once again, something a record label is probably not want to do unless someone is really upset about it. I've seen completely wrong song names before and despite all the important parties knowing it's wrong, it was not fixed for XYZ reasons, mostly because it is cumbersome to do so.

I don't know any legal reasons behind it; it's possible they exist but I know when I researched this previously, the need to actually re-distribute the music was the culprit.

 

[ZacharyC2]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 1:33pm

There's actually something quite similar to this on the Next To Normal cast recording, where from "Prelude" to "You Don't Know," the cast for each track is correct, then from "I Am the One" to "Why Stay?/ A Promise," the cast for each track is off by one song. My theory is that originally "You Don't Know" was a joint track with "I Am The One," which would explain why "You Don't Know" has Alice Ripley, Aaron Tveit, and J. Robert Spencer, instead of just Alice Ripley. My theory for why it normalizes again is just the opposite, I believe "Why Stay?" was originally meant to be a separate track from "A Promise" which would explain why only J. Robert Spencer and Adam Chanler-Berat are credited on this track.

I noticed this months ago and have wanted to talk about it for so long.

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 2:04pm

veronicamae said: "You're so passionate about this.

Then I'll go on to add some industry knowledge:

Fixing such things is not as simple as someone opening a file and renaming it. In order to change it, because it was wrong when it was first delivered to music services (which usually happens simultaneously through one singular file upload delivery service), it would have to be delivered once again, something a record label is probably not want to do unless someone is really upset about it. I've seen completely wrong song names before and despite all the important parties knowing it's wrong, it was not fixed for XYZ reasons, mostly because it is cumbersome to do so.

I don't know any legal reasons behind it; it's possible they exist but I know when I researched this previously, the need to actually re-distribute the music was the culprit.

"

Makes total sense! That's why the 2018 anniversary edition seems to be a sticking point, but I guess it's a republishing of the same stuff so maybe not easily fixable there either 

[dancingthrulife1752]

Posted: 9/16/20 at 2:05pm

ZacharyC2 said: "There's actually something quite similar to this on the Next To Normal cast recording, where from "Prelude" to "You Don't Know,"the cast for each track is correct, then from "I Am the One" to "Why Stay?/ A Promise," the cast for each track is off by one song. My theory is that originally "You Don't Know" was a joint track with "I Am The One," which would explain why "You Don't Know" has Alice Ripley, Aaron Tveit, and J. Robert Spencer, instead of just Alice Ripley. My theory for why it normalizes again is just the opposite, I believe "Why Stay?" was originally meant to be a separate track from "A Promise" which would explain why only J. Robert Spencer and Adam Chanler-Berat are credited on this track.

I noticed this months ago and have wanted to talk about it for so long."

Oh very interesting, I never noticed that!