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Prayers to a fellow actor
#25re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 3:23pm
"The Pope has died."
Yes, that's why my post above yours said R.I.P.
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
#26re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 3:41pm
As the bells toll, we remember another human being.
It doesn't matter whether you are white, black, yellow or brown.
It doesn't matter whether you are straight, gay, bisexual, transgendered.
It doesn't matter whether you are Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic or any other religion I have forgotten.
Let us all pray for a man, who over 26 years has helped to shape our world and allow us to become who we are.
VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II, who headed the Roman Catholic Church for 26 years, died on Saturday evening, the Vatican said in a statement.
The news was immediately announced to around 60,000 gathered in St Peter's Square and was met with a long applause, an Italian sign of respect. Bells tolled and many people wept openly.
"Our Holy Father John Paul, 84, has returned to the house of the Father," Archbishop Leonardo Sandri told the crowds.
"The Holy Father died this evening at 9:37 p.m. in his private apartment. All the procedures outlined in the apostolic Constitution `Universi Dominici Gregis' that was written by John Paul II on Feb. 22, 1996, have been put in motion."
Papal spokesman makes announcement
The announcement came from papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls and was distributed to journalists via e-mail.
The pope died after suffering heart and kidney failure following two hospitalizations in as many months. Just a few hours earlier, the Vatican had said he was in "very serious" condition but responded to members of the papal household.
Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican No. 2 official, immediately led a tearful crowd of 70,000 people in St. Peter's Square in prayers for the dead pope.
Some people held their hands to their heads in disbelief, others sobbed, openly.
The windows of the pope's apartment were still lit up following the announcement of his death.
Before the pope's death, thousands of pilgrims had gathered on St. Peter’s Square to stand vigil, many tearfully gazing up at his third-floor window. The faithful around the world joined them in prayer.
'Placid and serene' before death
Vatican Cardinal Achille Silvestrini visited John Paul Saturday morning, accompanied by another cardinal, Jean-Louis Tauran.
“I found him relaxed, placid, serene. He was in his bed. He was breathing without labor. He looked like he lost weight,” Silvestrini said.
He said the when he and Tauran came into the room, the pope seemed to recognize them.
“The pope showed with a vibration of his face that he understood, indicating with a movement of his eyes. He showed he was reacting,” he added.
Around the world, people of different faiths had joined in prayer for John Paul.
“Catholics, fellow Christians, ... will be praying for him at this time as he comes toward the end of his extraordinary and wonderful life,” said Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the archbishop of Westminster and one of the most senior Catholic clerics in Britain, speaking to reporters outside London’s Westminster Cathedral.
'Man of peace'
In France, Muslim leader Dalil Boubakeur said Muslims had been praying for the pope, whom he described as a “man of peace” whose stature was a determining factor for change in the world.
In the pope’s home country, Poles gathered at churches as word spread Friday morning of his deteriorating condition.
“I want him to hold on but it is all in God’s hands now,” said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized in Wadowice, southern Poland. “We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments.”
The pope received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening. Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed both for patients at the point of death and for those who are very sick — and it may be repeated.
Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul had become a picture of suffering.
His 26-year papacy was marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope turned to as he also battled Parkinson’s disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.
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#27re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 3:49pmvery nice apollo
~And let us try, before we die, to make some sense of life~
Mr Roxy
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#28re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 3:51pmHis suffering is over. May he rest in peace. We will not see someone of his stature for quite sometime
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#29re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 3:59pm
"It doesn't matter whether you are straight, gay, bisexual, transgendered."
Well you know what, according to your Pope, that does matter and he's said that over and over.
Why should I remember a man that did nothing but condemn who I am? I'm sorry, but I DON'T have respect for him.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#30re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:05pm
Please. Put aside the harsh words on this thread.
I say prayer as a gay Jew.
Have respect.
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#31re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:09pmI feel sorry that he's gone, but first of all, in my opinion, prayer does nothing (it's impossible,) and secondly, why should I respect a man that has done all in his power to dehumanize me? If the Catholic Church/Jesus is supposed to be about love, loving each other, and acceptance, why is the Catholic Church a breeding ground for hate? They teach hatred far more than they do love, and that's something I will never understand, take part in, or respect.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
dededarlin
Chorus Member Joined: 10/15/03
#33re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:13pm
Respect for.....????
A man who told the world that condoms should not be used in the fight against aids??
A man who said that gay marriage was gravely evil??
I will not personally be mourning the death of an 84 year old man.
"I tend to think if god wanted us to believe in him, he'd exist" Linda Smith
#34re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:38pmExactly.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#35re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:46pm
Hey there. As someone who has lived a samesex lifestyle I don't believe that the pope preached or taught hatred. He may have an understanding or a belief that's opposite of our convictions, but that doesn't make him a bad person.
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#36re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:48pm
Yes, he has preached hatred. Time and time again.
And yes, that DOES make him a bad person.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
#37re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:49pm
To Adam Chris
I totally agree with you. Nice to hear a post like this coming from someone who is Gay & understands who he really was.
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#38re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:51pmWho he really was? Then please, if I'm missing something, enlighten me.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#39re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:53pm
Everyone is entitled to their views.
The Pope is not a perfect person. Nobody is.
Please don't use this thread to spread hatred.
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#40re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:54pm
We need to be careful using power words like "hate" when it simply does not apply.
He is allowed to say what he believe without being label as somekinda "hatemoger" just because some of us have issues with religion.
It doesn't do much for the gay/lesbian community. It makes us look desperate and hateful too. Hateful because we are twisting the message of another to suit our attitudes.
#41re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:56pmHow are we twisting the Pope's words? WE're not. You don't have to twist his words, he's quite clear. If someone in a high position (like GWB and The Pope) show such clear distaste and hatred in gays/gay marriage, that isn't showing that they hate? OBVIOUSLY THEY DO, come on. And who do they sound like? Does Adolf Hitler ring a bell?
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#42re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:57pmIt's not a fair fight or arguement to put words in someone elses mouth when they just passed away.
#43re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 4:59pmI'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Don't you read or watch the news?
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
dededarlin
Chorus Member Joined: 10/15/03
#44re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:02pmmunkustrap, what Catholic education have you had? what do you know about Catholicism besides what you have heard from the media? you are the one spreading hatred at this point.
#45re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:03pmActually, darlin, I was raised Catholic. My family is still Catholic and I attended religious school for 9 years. Make sure you know what you're talking about before you start acting like a bitch.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
teh_pretty
Featured Actor Joined: 4/2/05
#46re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:03pm
Are you actually comparing John Paul II to Hitler?
I don't think now is the right time to be arguing this. The man just died, and even if you didn't agree with everything he said, he's not a bad person.
#47re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:05pmNo, I didn't compare HIM to Hitler. I compared some of his view of people, dehumanizing them, taking rights away, preaching hate, etc.
"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy."
-Charlie Manson
#48re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:06pm
Munkustrap ~ You know bro. You need to let it go. This is not the time or the thread to spread your frustrations with church leaders. If you want start your own thread to trash right wing/church leaders ...fine, but let those who were affected in a positve way by the pope's life say their peace.
Peace and comfort to all those who cared and loved this man!
Updated On: 4/2/05 at 05:06 PM
LouW95
Leading Actor Joined: 9/27/03
#49re: Prayers to a fellow actor
Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:11pm
While I do not wish anyone death, this Pope was a fellow actor who knew better and could have used his position to be more Christian to gay and lesbians. If you need proof of his hateful position, just look at his on-going highly anti-gay written and verbal statements which came at a time when AIDS was ravaging our community. The edicts were highly offensive to gays who lost friends and partners. They are both old and recent and can be easily obtained. The Pope, as most institutional religious leaders, often do more harm than good by spreading outdated, homophobic venom. I only wish he had helped gay people half as much as he helped those fighting Communism. This Pope elected to follow the conservative Church line rather than move his church to a more tolerant attitude on gay equality. This is not my idea of Christianity. By the way, under his leadership, the Catholic church lost priests, nuns and had to close many churches due to dwindling numbers of people who attended each week. That is a fact not an opinion.
Updated On: 4/2/05 at 05:11 PM
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