Prayers to a fellow actor- Page 3

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:13pm

Thank you.

[Kristie-K2]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:14pm

Oh Please, we just lost the leader of the Catholic Church....He was a fine man, from another time.....He had to keep the traditions of the Church......Sad, but true.....But he was 84 years old. He had a good life.....I think I feel more sorry for my gay friends who never made it to 30, because they died of Aids and some of my female friends who died of Breast Cancer at 40.....The Catholic Church will go on, with another Pope...Hopefully, he might change some of the things in the church that makes people so angry!!!!!!

[Spooky]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:22pm

Regardless of what he did or didn't do and whether or not you believe in what his church stands for. He was still a man who for some provided inspiration and hope.
May he find the peace he so believed in.

[dededarlin]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:23pm

munkustrap...I'm sorry if I came on so strong. I just get tired of people who are ignorant about the church's beliefs and still are against them. obviously, you have a different idea of the church than i do. i'm sorry you have such negative feelings toward the church and I am sorry if i offended you.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 5:27pm

You didn't offend me - I'm very hard to offend. I understand what you're saying, though. I hope I didn't not offend YOU, and that people can try to understand where I'm coming from here. It's not that I'm a heartless person who wishes that the Pope rot in hell (maybe if I believed in hell,) but no - I just don't agree with what he stood for. I don't understand how people can't see that.

[starlight2]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 6:47pm

munkustrap 178, I will be praying for you tonight as well as the Pope.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 6:48pm

Why me?

[starlight2]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:28pm

Because I want to!

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:30pm

And I appreciate that! But in hopes of what, can I ask?

[Skempp]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:34pm

Odd, because I saw a news clip of Pope JPII blessing an AIDS patient and offering a prayer for those suffering from the disease. He didn't specify gays, straights, black, white, male, female, young or old...he offered a blessing to all with AIDs. What the man did try to do was teach tolerance which is certainly an attitude that would be a nice experience in this country and on this board. Sure, the Catholic Church is conservative; but, not nearly as conservative as the Christian Right.

Regardless of your religion or beliefs, a human being has died and "attention must be paid". Yes, he was 84 years old, but should that matter? A life is a life is a life.

We all deserve peace...

[starlight2]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:39pm

You commented that prayer does "nothing" in one of your posts, I just belive strongly that it does and can work miracles, or just give someone peace, love, happiness, or something they are wishing for, a new job, a new friend, a partner or companion to share life with, healing, our guardian angel to be near us in times of illness, death, or turmoil, or whatever it may be that any of us might need in our lives or feel is missing, and there is nothing wrong with spending time with God and asking Him in prayer for what it is we want, need, or feel others need. He knows before we ask, and He does answer. So, I will be praying for you tonight. I do not know what you may need, but He does. Goodnight!

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:45pm

Well thank you, that's sweet. While I feel that prayer is soothing for some (not me, I don't do it) but it's good because it makes people feel good, and that's fine, but that's it. It's impossible for it to do anything else. I'm not discounting what you're saying, or saying that you're wrong, but this is my point of view.

[hannahshule]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:54pm

Please people, a man just died. Can we go even one post without statring a hate thread. I agree with everyone, but I don't think now is the time to be discussing this. (please don't yell at me, I'm only a kid! I may not understand the world like adults do, but I feel bad speaking bad about the Pope when he just died.)

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 7:58pm

Huh? We weren't even talking about the Pope anymore...

[Mamie]

Posted: 4/2/05 at 8:40pm

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy.

O Lord, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love. For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. (St. Francis of Assisi)

If God can forgive us for all our many sins, can't we find it in our hearts to forgive this man for his? I stopped being a practicing Catholic a long time ago because of the Church's stand on issues like this, as well as it's view of women in general and issues that pertain to them. Nevertheless, I can see the good that was in this man and I can only hope that one nearly as good - and (God willing) even better - can be found to replace him.

[camthom]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 12:35am

Mamie,

beautifully stated.

Munk,

I am with you. I understand what you are saying. And I very much respect you for your beliefs. There are a lot of people suffering here, who are very upset about the Pope's passing. I, myself have beliefs similar to yours and personally don't know the power of prayer, nor do I believe anyone CAN know the power of prayer-it's about faith. But I thank you for being so forthright with your opinion and your beliefs.

Skempp,

I do have to say that you are a touch misguided in your posting about the Pope trying to teach tolerance. He called homosexuality an "ideology of evil." I fail to see the message of tolerance there.

Everyone else-

Your thoughts are beautiful. It always amazes me when I read people who are so passionate about any topic. But please respect each other for their beliefs. Yes there is a time and a place for everything, but it's not for any of us to decide when and where that is. As much as many of you have a great deal of sadness for the loss of the Pope, others have a great deal of fervor and frustration with a man who did indeed have faults. We think of the Pope as a man who you'd want to hug when you see...a grandpa for everyone. I don't know about you, but my grandpa probably wouldn't be happy with me being gay. It's the world he lived in...then again, my grandpa wasn't the Pope. He wasn't a man in a position to truly teach love and acceptance for all. World leaders never looked to him for guidance, nor did legions of faithful followers. When someone with that power says jump, the faithful jump. When someone with that power says homosexuality is the "ideology of evil," the followers believe.

I pray (not knowing the outcome, I usually call it a hope), that the next Pope will be one who can truly embrace all, despite who they share their own love with.

[Apollo]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 12:39am

Let us get back to praying for our brother, a fellow actor.

[Sister George]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 4:57am

We are talking about the death of someone as if this is an unique tragedy.... as far as I am aware death is the one thing on which we can all be certain...

Comments such as 'Please people, a man just died.' are frankly lazy thinking, for who does this rational of death=absolution of all sins apply?

In 1945 should we have said let's pray for Hitler for god's sake a man has just died?

And no I'm not comparing the Pope to Hitler just trying to express an opinion that whilst many will mourn his passing, I can not put to one side all his faults because he has just died, I'm not interested in indulging such sentimental nonsense.

[stylinbohemian]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 12:55pm

im just gonna say RIP and keep him in my prayers he was a good man

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 1:19pm

26 years..... Not a bad run.

[CatieElphie1]

Posted: 4/3/05 at 4:16pm

wow guys, can I just say that this is why I love this board? everyone is so passionate and (dare I say) entertaining?
Anyways, i said a few prayers for the pope, but personally, I think that alot of things in the catholic church need to change. As a catholic for 17 years with 11 years of catholic schooling, I do see things that are wrong. However, I personally don't think i need to post them here, pretty much because they've all been covered. But hopefully, even if you aren't catholic or belive in prayer, you can pray or just hope for a turning point in the church that will bring the church and all its members--gay straight or whatever, to a better and more peaceful understanding.

[leeinlondon]

Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:46am

The Pope condemmed millions to a painful death with his lies about AIDS and the opposition use of condoms to prevent it, I hope this terrible man rots in hell.

[AndiV]

Posted: 4/4/05 at 3:08pm

i have a different question...as someone who does believe in the power of prayer...

i don't understand praying for the pope (or anyone) after their death. praying for those who are grieving a loss, i do, but not for the person who has passed.

insight anyone?