The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

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The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:52pm

Anyone else think that it's ironic that Steven Sater wins an award for his lyrics and five minutes later the lyrics are changed to make the material "presentable" to the public...that pissed me off. Sorry if this has been over discussed, just had to say something...

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#2

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:54pm

No.

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#3

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:57pm

that's totally ****ed!

#4

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:58pm

It's totally not irony.

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"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey

#5

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:59pm

It's like rain on your wedding day.

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#6

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:04pm

Thank you for saying that before I did, Mister Matt. I was going to say "It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife." Ah Alanis.

#7

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:08pm

how is it not ironic to win an award for lyrics, then, at the SAME AWARDS SHOW, have no choice but to CHANGE THEM in order to showcase them...?

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How can they see with sequins in their eyes?

Updated On: 6/11/07 at 03:08 PM

#8

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:11pm

Not to mention the lyric changes were pretty clever.

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Well, I'm glad he got away with it.

#9

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:11pm

how is it not ironic to win an award for lyrics, then, at the SAME AWARDS SHOW, have no choice but to CHANGE THEM in order to showcase them...?

Because it's not irony. That's why.

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"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey

#10

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:16pm

I do not iron, I send my clothes to the cleaners.

#11

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:17pm

Irony would mean the Least Likely thing happened. Knowing how television works, it certainly isn't the least likely thing that could have happened.

It might have been ironic if the only award they won was for lyrics and they chose to perform an instrumental piece which was introduced by a mine, in the dark...at 11:03PM EDT.

(does that fit into Alanis' music?)

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Updated On: 6/11/07 at 03:17 PM

#12

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:20pm

From dictionary.com...

"The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs."


Context: S.A. wins awards for score and book...

Contradiction:They can't perform the winning lyrics as they were written.

That's pretty straight-forward....

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How can they see with sequins in their eyes?

#13

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:22pm

Don't you think?

#14

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:27pm

But what can and can't be said on television has no bearing on whether or not the book and lyrics were actually the best. The award wasn't for the best book and lyrics that can be presented in their entirety on television. It has nothing to do with the award. It has to do with broadcast standards. It's not irony. It's just not.

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"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey

#15

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:29pm

Irony or not, it was sad. I felt like it neutered a performance of something that normally carries weight. I'm sure they felt they needed to compromise the lyrics in order to get the songs/energy out there in order to sell the show...

But the show talks (tangentially) about censorship, morality, etc. and this seems the same unsubstantiated judgement the kids had to endure. (I'm being overdramtic) Specifically, you can say "BITCH" multiple times but one reference to "breasts" is not allowed. Hello?

come ON!

But at least they didn't stick with "totally STUCK"

*shudder*

#16

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:34pm

blah blah blah blah blah

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#17

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:39pm

I love this band from the 80s:

#18

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:49pm

It's a free ride when you've already paid.

#19

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 4:10pm

It would only be ironic if the lyrics were changed for the broadcast because someone made a judgment that they were not good enough or something. The changes had nothing to do with whether or not the lyrics were award-worthy, you just can't say some of that stuff on CBS.
And I thought it was wonderfully appropriate for a show that is about how adults repress young people and try to shield them from the real world to not be able to say the last word of their Tony broadcast because it would be inappropriate for children viewers. It may have looked a bit silly, but it sure made a statement.

#20

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 4:16pm

brdlwyr - You're so fancy. I usually iron while catching up on The View on the DVR.

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#21

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/11/07 at 4:22pm

Matt, the ironic thing is that I am often asked by my wife to iron.

#22

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:23pm

"It's like rain on your wedding day."
which is also not irony.
In fact, the only ironic thing about that song is that none of the circumstances she mentions are ironic.

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#23

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:42pm

Wouldn't the irony of Spring Awakening be that the show is ABOUT censorship, but the writers chose to censor themselves in order to make the show more commercially viable? (i.e. the end of act one)

#24

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:49pm

Its not ironic, its just sad. and maybe a little ironic and a little funny too, but sad. sad sad sad.

#25

re: The irony.... (Spring Awakening)

Posted: 6/13/07 at 6:12pm

The show is still just as much about censorship even if it is more commercially viable than the original text. Sometimes you can make a bigger impact when you don't turn people off, which I'm sure was the reason for buckling to CBS's demands. I agree..not being able to say "breast" is astounding. It's a clinical term for goodness sakes! Just points to how truly uncomfortable we are with our bodies as a nation!