Theaters in Los Angeles to require proof of vaccination? Article from LA Times.

[DAME]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 12:59pm

FYI.. he also wrote the article on doing away with intermissions. But I am with him on this . At least for the first phase.

Column: Anti-vaxxers dont deserve coddling. Why theaters should require proof of vaccination

htthttps://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-05-19/anti-vaxxer-covid-vaccine-passports-theaterps://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-05-19/anti-vaxxer-covid-vaccine-passports-theater

Updated On: 5/19/21 at 12:59 PM

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 1:51pm

Anti-vaxxers deserve nothing. They shouldn't be able to attend any event outside a private home. I call it the stupidity penalty. 

Great article, thanks for sharing! 

[DAME]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 1:53pm

Sutton Ross said: "Anti-vaxxers deserve nothing. They shouldn't be able to attend any event outside a private home.I call it the stupiditypenalty.

Great article, thanks for sharing!"

Agreed.  They deserve nothing and they shouldn’t be allowed into any public event .  

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 1:55pm

However I will add that I agree with the following statement in the article:

It’s not fair to lump all the unvaccinated into a single category, and for those with a health condition making them ineligible for a shot, a reasonable accommodation should be found. Perhaps a balcony could be cordoned off for this small mask-wearing group.

[DAME]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 1:57pm

Sutton Ross said: "However I will add that I agree with the following statement in the article:

It’s not fair to lump all the unvaccinated into a single category, and for those with a health condition making them ineligible for a shot, a reasonable accommodation should be found. Perhaps a balcony could be cordoned off for this small mask-wearing group."

Perfect use for the box seats at the Ahmanson .  

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 3:35pm

Because they had a reason to be, sports venues have already dealt with these matters, and the theatre will learn from what they have done. Segregation, dealing with health issues, dealing with kids who cannot yet be vaccinated  (clearly, a short term issue), etc. And these processes will evolve. Even bars are starting to use the excelsior pass because... why wouldn't they?

[RippedMan]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 4:00pm

So now we're going back to segregation? Oof. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 5:20pm

RippedMan said: "So now we're going back to segregation? Oof."

In stadiums, yes, because there can be unvaccinated-but-tested people sitting with social distancing. I think it is likely theatres will end up not allowing this option because they can't really have social distancing except maybe via the suggested idea of the balcony in some theatre but that seems unlikely. Similarly, I think stadiums and arenas will soon stop the unvaccinated alternative because it costs them money. As I have written elsewhere, the strategy seems to be to influence the unvaccinated by the persuasive powers of inconvenience and unavailability. And a lot of this is already happening privately beyond the state mandates. 

 

[Theater3232]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 6:05pm

CDC guidelines will continue to quickly evolve, and nobody knows what the CDC will recommend in July, or in September.  Currently, private businesses have a choice whether they'd like to enforce masking/6 feet of social distancing, or if they'd want vaccine proof/no social distancing.  Theaters will have to determine under which circumstance people will feel more comfortable and under which they'd make more money. Each scenario will affect groups differently (the unvaccinated, the vaccinated, and the vaccinated who are uncomfortable with "no social distancing" and "no masks".

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/19/21 at 7:10pm

Theater3232 said: "CDC guidelines will continue to quickly evolve, and nobody knows what the CDC will recommend in July, or in September. Currently, private businesses have a choice whether they'd like to enforce masking/6 feet of social distancing, or if they'd want vaccine proof/no social distancing. Theaters will have to determine under which circumstance people will feel more comfortable and under which they'd make more money. Each scenario will affect groups differently (the unvaccinated, the vaccinated, and the vaccinated who are uncomfortable with "no social distancing" and "no masks"."

I agree with much of that, so I am just adding a couple of points to it. First, CDC is in the guidance business, not the mandate business. What's required is going to vary not only by state but also by business. As of now, Broadway theatres are not able to open fully without vaccinations under the state rules. And of course that doesn't even reach what they might not be able to do under union protocols. I think by fall adults will have to be vaccinated. Which leaves us with the mysteries of the youngins. Outdoor stadiums are currently exempting kids from the vaccination requirement in vaccinated sections. Indoors is another matter. One possibility is that by fall the vax age will be reduced. Another is that testing will be an alternative. A third is that we will continue to find that the risk for kids is very low and we can absorb it (especially with masks). All of that gets back to weighing in the balance how many vax sales you lose when you allow the unwashed into the same ecosystem, regardless of the rules. I think a lot of these questions will work themselves out just as the data that has erupted in the last few weeks has led to a massive change in the status quo. What, for instance, will happen to the guidelines when, in the fall, the numbers in low vaccine states like Mississippi (less than a third vaccinated) start having a large spike in cases? And what will the pragmatics of this be in relation to children when adults must be vaccinated to go to the theatre? These questions seem complex but as we have been seeing, then work themselves out very simply and quickly.

[unclevictor]

Posted: 5/20/21 at 9:29am

HogansHero said: "Theater3232 said: "CDC guidelines will continue to quickly evolve, and nobody knows what the CDC will recommend in July, or in September. Currently, private businesses have a choice whether they'd like to enforce masking/6 feet of social distancing, or if they'd want vaccine proof/no social distancing. Theaters will have to determine under which circumstance people will feel more comfortable and under which they'd make more money. Each scenario will affect groups differently (the unvaccinated, the vaccinated, and the vaccinated who are uncomfortable with "no social distancing" and "no masks"."

I agree with much of that, so I am just adding a couple of points to it. First, CDC is in the guidance business, not the mandate business. What's required isgoing to vary not only by state but also by business. As of now, Broadway theatres are not able to open fully without vaccinations under the state rules. And of course that doesn't even reach what they might not be able to do under union protocols. I think by fall adults will have to be vaccinated. Which leaves us with the mysteries of the youngins. Outdoor stadiums are currently exempting kids from the vaccination requirement in vaccinated sections. Indoors is another matter. One possibility is that by fall the vax age will be reduced. Another is that testing will be an alternative. A third is that we will continue to find that the risk for kids is very low and we can absorb it (especially with masks). All of that gets back to weighing in the balance how many vax sales you lose when you allow the unwashed into the same ecosystem, regardless of the rules. I think a lot of these questions will work themselves out just as the data that has erupted in the last few weeks has led to a massive change in the status quo. What, for instance, will happen to the guidelines when, in the fall, the numbers in low vaccine states like Mississippi (less than a third vaccinated) start having a large spike in cases? And what will the pragmatics of this be in relation to children when adults must be vaccinated to go to the theatre? These questions seem complex but as we have been seeing, then work themselves out very simply and quickly."

instead of posting things like the above over and over and OVER again, why don’t we just wait for the answers from  the people in charge? Ta-dah! And scene.

[jlindsey865]

Posted: 5/20/21 at 9:44am

DAME said: "FYI.. he also wrote the article on doing away with intermissions. But I am with him on this . At least for the first phase.

Column: Anti-vaxxers dont deserve coddling. Why theaters should require proof of vaccination

htthttps://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-05-19/anti-vaxxer-covid-vaccine-passports-theaterps://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-05-19/anti-vaxxer-covid-vaccine-passports-theater"

Vaccine passports are an incredible idea.  

My small bladder doesn't love the "no intermission" change, but I shall cope.

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 5/20/21 at 10:39am

HogansHero said: "RippedMan said: "So now we're going back to segregation? Oof."

In stadiums, yes, because there can be unvaccinated-but-tested people sitting with social distancing. I think it is likely theatres will end up not allowing this option because they can't really have social distancing except maybe via the suggested idea of the balcony in some theatre but that seems unlikely. Similarly, I think stadiums and arenas will soon stop the unvaccinated alternative because it costs them money. As I have written elsewhere, the strategy seems to be to influence the unvaccinated by the persuasive powers of inconvenience and unavailability. And a lot of this is already happening privately beyond the state mandates.

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There's been stadiums and arenas all over the country not requiring vaccination proof and also ending social distancing. Dallas Cowboys stadium had 73k for a boxing event, Jacksonville had 13k for UFC, Carolina has been having almost a sold out arena for the NHL.

NY is one of the few places where it's been more strict, even NJ didn't require what NY did for events, no negative tests or vaccine proof needed at the Prudential Center. 

I think it might not happen theatre wise but Cuomo will probably follow suit eventually with large events and simply do what the rest of the majority of the country is doing and that's just use the "honor system", even more so if all the numbers keep trending down like they have been. 

Updated On: 5/20/21 at 10:39 AM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/20/21 at 10:53am

Broadway Joe said: " I think it might not happen theatre wise but Cuomo will probably follow suit eventually with large events and simply do what the rest of the majority of the country is doing and that's just use the "honor system", even more so if all the numbers keep trending down like they have been."

I don't really see Cuomo becoming a "follower" of anything other than science after all this time, but anything is possible of course. I see what's happening elsewhere. I watched Kluber's no-no last night and all of the idiots in the stands. Pathetic. We will of course reach the point that restrictions are not needed, when science shows that, just as the evolved mask requirements have evolved. Another factor here is that there are two major non-governmental forces at play for the theatre. First, an honor system will be bad for business, and second, the unions are not going to play dead (no pun intended).