Wicked vs. Les Miserables Debate- Page 2

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:04pm

True about the commercialism. Wicked so far "only" has one cast recording, when by this time in the Les Miz timeline, they probably had three, with one currently being recorded.

Beergoggles, that hurt to read!

[Thenardier]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:06pm

Les Mis was commercialized because it was/is a great show.

Wicked is because it starred Kristin Chenoweth and was another member of the OZ family.

Case in Point: Les Miz is better and Idina is hot.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 07:06 PM

[gavrochegirl]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:09pm

GO BEERGOGGLES!

[WickedGeek28]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:12pm

I'm a huge Wicked fan, but Les Mis is such a better novel than WICKED. It has so much heart and soul.

[ljay889]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:18pm

This is like comparing Gypsy to The Lion King. It's such a random and stupid comparison.

[MLE]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:33pm

I agree. You can't just compare the two. And how would we decide anyway? On what grounds? Each musical means something different to everyone.
Let's be honest...in some aspects Les Mis is better and in some, yes, *gasp* Wicked is better.

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:35pm

OMGOMGOMG, LYKE...WCKD IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD! I LYKE TEH PART WHEN GLINDA COMES OUT (GALINDA LOLOLZZ!) AND SHES LYKE...WEARING PINK!!!! I TOTALYL IDENTIFY WITH HER!!
THAT SHOW WAS SO DEEP AND LIKE....GOOD.

[Beergoggles]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:38pm

she wears pink... omg are there, like, frills too?

[ljay889]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:39pm

WKD iss s0 kewl...itz betta den all da othera muzicalz. GYPSIE, WST STDIE STORIE, LAS MIZERERABLEZ, SZEET CHARITIE, CHIKAGO wizh thy wre as godod as WKD. WKD = LIFEE. BST MUSZICAL IN YRS.
OMG ITZ JUS SO GODODO. I LICK WEN GLIDNIE CUMZ IN DA BUBBLIE. AN WEN NEZZA WALKZ - I WIZH I WAZ CRIPLED LIK HER. SO MAH MAGIKAL SISTA CAN MAK ME WALK. EHEHEHEHE Updated On: 7/21/05 at 07:39 PM

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:40pm

LOLZ!

[gavrochegirl]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:42pm

Okay, but I don't understand why these people can RELATE to Elphaba. Here are some questions for em':

1.) Are you green?
2.) Can you fly?

If you answered no to one of those questions...then you CAN'T relate to Elphaba. I'm sorry.

[ljay889]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:43pm

GAVROACH.

DUH ELPHABANA HAZ EMOTIONZ DAT TEENIE GIRLZ CAN RELATEE 2. DUHH.

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:43pm

LIEWS MESERABLES IS SO LAME! ITS LYKE...ALL AOUT WAR. HELOO?! NOBODY CARES1 ID RATHER SEE SOEMTHING WITH ACTUAL MEANING AND THAT ITNT LYKE...OVER 2 HOURS. LES MEZZ MAKES MY BRAIN HURT!

WKD = MY LIFE.

(HAHAHA! Can I please quote gavrochegirl and ljay for a signature?)
Updated On: 7/21/05 at 07:43 PM

[Thenardier]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:44pm

Wait - on what levels is Wicked better than Les Mis.

Not the score.
Not the book.
Not the spectacle.

[gavrochegirl]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:45pm

Well, even still. If you aren't green and you can't fly, you can't relate to Elphaba.

[Beergoggles]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:45pm

durr... she flies! Obviously that makes it a million times better! I can fly... and i am green... therefore i relate. Oooh the voices in my head are singing again la la la!









I'm being sarcastic in all posts in this thread!

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 07:45 PM

[Thenardier]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:46pm

Really, beer?
I had no idea!

Damn that British wit.

[ljay889]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:46pm

THEIGOTAHARDON. BZO WHATEVA YO NAME IZ.

LAS MIZZIE WZH IT HADDA GODDLY BOOK LIKE WKD. WKDS SCORE IS BETTA DEN ANYDHING SOUNDHEIMER, SKY GOLDMAN, OR LEPOARD BIRDCAGE EVER DID. GET WIT IT.

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:46pm

BUT IM LYKE.....GREEN ON THE INSIDE!

[gavrochegirl]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:49pm

Green with sickness, you are!
beergoggles- Ah, British wit...

[LariTheLoud]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:50pm

Wow. This has got to be one of the worst comparisons I've ever seen.

It boggles me that these people actually believe Wicked can be compared to Les Mis--and exceed its greatness, at that! Completely appalling.

Les Mis is the better show (and the better novel), hands down.

And back on the revolution topic, the "uprising" that takes place in Les Mis is based on the July Revolution of 1832. It was very small. Basically, the whole premise of the "revolution" was that a bunch of college students were way too bored. I'm not even sure if they had a real point to building a barricade; they had no idea what the hell they were doing. Hugo glorified it for the sake of his political/social commentary.

The point is, these students were smacked down hard by my man, Eugene Francois Vidocq of the French secret police. It's a shame his name isn't well-known--he's the real-life master of disguise Sherlock Holmes was based off.

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:52pm

gavrochegirl - can I use the green/flying thing for a signature?
With credit where its due, of course.

[gavrochegirl]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 7:56pm

Sure!

[ZBraff]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 8:02pm

thank you!!

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 8:04pm

I don't find LES MIS to be commercial.

The problem with WICKED is that...

SPOILER***

At the end of the musical, Elphaba lives. In the novel and in the 100 years of OZ we know and love, she doesn't. Her living is a way to let audiences leave feeling a tad bit better that they spend 100$ for something feel-good. The show sells out on ALL levels of fluff. WICKED could have been a masterpiece like LES MIS. It could have been life-altering. It could have been heart-breaking. It had the potential to be dark, mysterious, sexy, gothic, murderous, thrilling and... well....

it wasn't. It sold out. It went to please audiences instead of intrigue audiences. LES MIS on the otherhand, covered classes, death, prostitution, child labor, abuse, war, obsession, greed. LES MIS knew that it wouldn't sell to children. It was okay with that. But it is so incredibly stunning that it sold to them anyway.