good...I was only trying to clarify what this thread is about. I think the thread title indicates universally bad musicals.
NYdir...I love some of the biggest stinkers of years gone by. Prettybelle (never made it to bway) Metro (only recording is in Polish) Canterbury Tales (gotta love the late 60s shows) Carrie
Bad theater makes me appreciate good theater.
"Carson has combined his passion for helping children with his love for one of Cincinnati's favorite past times - cornhole - to create a unique and exciting event perfect for a corporate outing, entertaining clients or family fun."
Wait, hold on, who here hates CAROLINE OR CHANGE???? Whoever it is, I will sit you down and....poke you...with many pointy objects.
I agree, though, that there is a difference between BAD THEATER and THEATER YOU DON'T LIKE. Like I said, I personally don't like THE MUSIC MAN, but I can appreciate WHY people DO like it. Its not as if I think it's badly written or anything. It just bores me to tears. Same with OKLAHOMA. Of the old-time musical set, though, I think GYPSY is tops.
That's why I made up two lists. Which is theater that is just bad, wrong, ill-concieved, and what were they thinking, PERIOD. And the worst of the worst I think is probably a toss-up between CARRIE and DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES. Book-wise, choreography-wise, common-sense wise... I mean, I will grant you MAMMA MIA is rubbish, but I don't think you can argue that as a concept, it is worse than CARRIE. I mean, there is bad theater, and then there is bad theater that you walk out of thinking... no, really--WHO thought this would be a good idea? Who? Seriously, who? Like MAMMA MIA (to use the above example) might be garbage, ike GOOD VIBRATIONS was garbage, but you can see where producers would think it was a good idea and they'd make money. You can see where the sense lies. But on WHAT PLANET are DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES and CARRIE even good IDEAS for musicals? Really now.
To be sure, cgf, Carrie should be on the list, but there were so many things that were good about it. The score, cast, story all were going in the right direction....and for all of the mistakes along the way, it was certainly something to see.
"Carson has combined his passion for helping children with his love for one of Cincinnati's favorite past times - cornhole - to create a unique and exciting event perfect for a corporate outing, entertaining clients or family fun."
If we're talking the actual musical itself, it's gotta be a tie between "Hot Shoe Shuffle" and "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane: The Musical." Yeesh.
If we're talking a specific production, then I'd say the most recent tour of "Starlight Express." Any show that hands out 3-D glasses to an audience and makes them watch the race scenes on a screen should not even be considered theater.
I'm going to just say basically what I said in defense of my disliking The Music Man on the "BEST Best Musical" thread:
There's nothing wrong with not liking a musical that's considered a classic. I just really don't like The Music Man. Part of that may be due to having been subjected to mediocre or downright awful productions of it, but I don't think that I'd like it anyway. I don't like the score, I'm not a huge fan of the storyline. I don't think that that should mean something negative about me as a musical theater fan.
I NEVER said that I thought that it was the worst musical ever made (nor would I). I never criticized other people for liking it. I did say "nost annoying musical I've ever seen," which is true, but it's just an opinion. I happen to love The King and I, Oklahoma!, The Sound of Music, etc. The fact that a show is acknowledged as a classic doesn't mean that everyone has to like it. You can't put it on a "worst musical ever made" list just because you personally hated it, because I think that that entails something being universally acknowledged as bad, but there's nothing wrong with having a contrary opinion.
Here is the obnoxiously long list of all musicals ever nominated for Best Musical.
1776 42nd Street A Chorus Line A Class Act A Day in Hollywood/A Night in the Ukraine A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum A Grand Night for Singing A Little Night Music A Year with Frog and Toad Ain't Misbehavin' Ain't Supposed to Die a Natural Death Amour Annie Applause Aspects of Love Avenue Q Baby Ballroom Barnum Beauty and the Beast Bells Are Ringing Big Deal Big River Black and Blue Blood Brothers Blues in the Night Bring in 'da Noise/Bring in 'da Funk Bubbling Brown Sugar Bye, Bye Birdie Cabaret Candide Carnival Caroline, or Change Cats Chicago Chronicle of a Death Foretold City of Angels Coco Company Contact Crazy for You Cyrano Damn Yankees Dancin' Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Do Re Mi Don't Bother Me, I Can't Cope Dreamgirls Evita Falsettos Fiddler on the Roof Finian’s Rainbow Fiorello! Five Guys Named Moe Flower Drum Song Follies Fosse Funny Girl Golden Boy Grand Hotel Grease Grind Guys and Dolls Gypsy Hair Hairspray Half a Sixpence Hallelujah, Baby! Happy End Hello, Dolly! High Spirits How Now, Dow Jones How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying I Do! I Do! I Love My Wife Illya, Darling Into the Woods Irma La Douce It Ain't Nothin' But the Blues Jamaica James Joyce's The Dead Jane Eyre Jelly's Last Jam Jerome Robbins' Broadway Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat Juan Darien Kismet Kiss Me Kate Kiss of the Spider Woman La Cage aux Folles La Plume de Ma Tante Leader of the Pack Les Misérables Little Me Mack and Mabel Mame Mamma Mia! Man of La Mancha Me and My Girl Meet Me in St. Louis Merlin Milk and Honey Miss Saigon Movin' Out My Fair Lady My One and Only New Girl In Town Nine No Strings Oh, Captain! Oh, What a Lovely War Oliver! On the Twentieth Century Once on this Island Once Upon a Mattress Over Here! Pacific Overtures Pajama Game Parade Passion Pipe Dream Pippin Promises, Promises Pump Boys and Dinettes Purlie Quilters Rags Ragtime Raisin Redhead Rent Romance/Romance Runaways Sarafina! Seesaw She Loves Me Shenandoah Side by Side by Sondheim Side Show Skyscraper Smokey Joe's Café Song & Dance Sophisticated Ladies South Pacific Spamalot Starlight Express Starmites Steel Pier Stop the World - I Want to Get Off Sugar Sugar Babies Sunday in the Park with George Sunset Boulevard Sweeney Todd Sweet Charity Sweet Smell of Success Swing! Swinging on a Star Take Me Along Tango Argentino The 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee The Apple Tree The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas The Boy from Oz The Civil War The Full Monty The Goodbye Girl The Happy Time The King and I The Lieutenant The Life The Light in the Piazza The Lion King The Me Nobody Knows The Most Happy Fella The Music Man The Mystery of Edwin Drood The Phantom of the Opera The Producers The Rothschilds The Scarlet Pimpernel The Secret Garden The Sound of Music The Tap Dance Kid The Who's Tommy The Wild Party The Will Rogers Follies The Wiz They're Playing Our Song Thoroughly Modern Millie Tintypes Titanic Two Gentleman of Verona Urinetown Walking Happy West Side Story Wicked Woman of the Year Wonderful Town Zorba
For those of you who scream 'Brooklyn'! in response to this question, I have just one comment (and this is for you, bare-nakedlady):
Though it's one of the worst musicals I've ever seen, it also had some of the *very* best performances I have ever witnessed. So, props to the Brooklyn cast! May you all obtain much, much better work in the future :)
And, c'mon guys, there's so much trash out there, it's ridiculous:
Miss Saigon Phantom of the Opera Thoroughly Modern Millie Blood Brothers Beautiful and the Damned Jekyll & Hyde and many, many more that I've blocked from my memory because they've traumatized me so.
Though, honestly, I think there's always at least one redeeming quality about any show (whether it's a single song, a particular performance, the costumes or the set, whatever) and for those of you who said "Thou Shalt Not," I have just two names for you: Harry Connick Jr. and Norbert Leo Butz. Seriously, what's not to love?!? :)
"I mean, I will grant you MAMMA MIA is rubbish..."
It's hard to call a show rubbish that has been a megahit in every country it has opened worldwide. It's ability to entertain is undeniable and I really don't see how that could not be considered theatre, especially given that the history of musical theatre was originally built on the ability to entertain, not plot construction or cerebral lyrics or complex composition.
Worst shows I've seen:
Notre Dame de Paris The Civil War Thou Shalt Not Closer to Heaven
Funny thing about Canterbury Tales is that it was a major hit in London and ran for something like 10 years.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
The PROBLEM is that people don't understand the difference between like and good and dislike and bad. And, when you get these concepts into your head, you will understand why people are having a fit here.
If the thread was Least Favorite Musical, then have at it. List The Music Man and Dreamgirls and Kiss Me Kate to all your heart's content. Because THAT would be ALL about opinion.
But as the thread was regarding what is the WORST musical, you just look absolutely foolish listing The Music Man when there are SOOOOOOOOO many HORRIBLE musicals out there in line ahead of it. This thread is where we should be delving into educated consensus to identify what are truly the worst musicals in history, just as the Best Best thread should be our attempt to qualify what the musical canon should truly consist of.
NOT: Oh my gawd, y'all, like I totally HATE The Music Man because my friend's sister's boyfriend was in it at his high school and it was like totally AWWWWFFULLLL!
That gets us NOWHERE.
And one more thing, if Idina or Sutton starred in a revival of The Music Man or Oklahoma!, you guys would be going on and on about how those musicals are like the bestest musicals in the whole whole world I mean like serious!!!!
I don't know if you're referring specifically to me, but other than what was basically a carbon copy of my other post, I never mentioned The Music Man in this worst musicals thread because, well, that'd just be stupid (I reposted my comment here because people had been making comments about both threads). A lot of people had listed it in the BEST Best Musical thread, though, and I happen to disagree. I definitely don't think that it's the best Best Musical, or even the best musical in the year that it won, since I find West Side Story to be leagues more enjoyable and, importantly to the topic at hand, influential.
Oh, honey, I'm sure you were fabulous in Baby Jane. Actually, I liked the cast. I loved Millicent Martin and the woman who played Blanche (I can't think of her name).
It was just a badly written show. I just remember that song "You're there, Blanche. You're there, Blanche. Reminding me of why you're in that chair, Blanche."
I am sticking with THE SOUND OF MUSIC as one of the worst musicals of all time and will continue to do so even if every nun on earth comes at me holding a cross. I don't care if it's considered a "classic"--is there anyone on this board under seventy who would go to see it for their own pleasure (i.e., if someone you knew wasn't in it)? The CARRIES of this world are more interesting in their catastrophic awfulness than that sickeningly virtuous barrel of pap could ever be.
I ask in all honesty/What would life be?/Without a song and a dance, what are we?/So I say "Thank you for the music/For giving it to me."
Call me crazy, but I liked Brooklyn. The show didn't make a whole lot of sense, but it did have a few good songs and great costumes. What won me over were the performances. Eden is amazing and I wish her the best of luck in the future. I don't care for jukebox musicals(GV..don't get me started) but I liked ASU. I thought it had a cute story. My list of worst shows isn't very long. I just love musicals, even some of the bad ones. Here goes: LENNON, GV, Movin' Out. Carrie, Titanic.. I didn't see Baby Jane, but it doesn't sound like it would be good. Like I said, I enjoy all shows. Bad shows are fun sometimes...
Just looking at this thread proves how different we all are, but we have one common interest and that is theatre. Let this be a lesson to all of you that we are inspired in different ways, a view things in differently then the guy sitting in the seat next to you
(and I get an orgasm everytime I hear Eden)
"I never had theatre producers run after me. Some people want to make more Broadway shows out of movies. But Elliot and I aren't going to do Batman: The Musical." - Julie Taymor 1999