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#1

is broadway dead?

I was wondering as I was reading the recent posts i.e. Britney in Sweet Charity, and it makes we wonder, what is happening to Broadway. Is this art form dead? Or is it just changing and I can’t adjust to the 'new' Broadway? Where will live theater be in the next 15 years, and who is responsible for the change or is it natural, what do you think?

-Horton (a very sad elephant)
#2

re: is broadway dead?

NO
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
#3

re: is broadway dead?

i hope you considered that a retorical question...

but NO!
#4

re: is broadway dead?

Horton ---

After seeing "The Drowsy Chaperone" yesterday, I have new hope.

This show was made for you... and everyone who feels the way you do.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#5

re: is broadway dead?

Broadway has a disease. It's called stunt-casting.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
#6

re: is broadway dead?

Broadway has its ups and downs and this question is asked every few years during the down times which I'm not even sure we are going through right now.
"Smart! And into all those exotic mystiques -- The Kama Sutra and Chinese techniques. I hear she knows more than seventy-five. Call me tomorrow if you're still alive!"
#7

re: is broadway dead?

You got to give Broadway a little hope, folks...
CCM '10!
#9

re: is broadway dead?

Ask Michael John LaChiusa.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
#10

re: is broadway dead?

I think Horton is asking the question "artistically." There will always be an audience for Broadway commercially. People see shows in New York. That's what they do.

But will they be buying tickets to see canned music, Britney Spears or more recycled crap... or will they actually get to experience something new and innovative every once in a while?

In other words... Where's the "next level?" The ground-breaker?

Or will Broadway just be stuck in a rut creatively?
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#11

re: is broadway dead?

I definitely feel that things are terribly wrong in the Broadway musical world. With the high cost now involved in producing a musical, no one is willing to take any chances. This particular season is looking particularly dismal and I, for one, would be in favor not giving out awards for the musicals or at least in favor of trimming the categories. What does a Tony Award mean anymore if a bunch of below standard productions are involved? Honestly...why did they even have Best Revival last year? The thought of the contenders for Best Musical this year make me cringe. Perhaps I am being a little harsh but some of the best stuff I have seen in recent years as been in tiny theatres off-off broadway and in readings. I just wish producers would begin to take chances again and put their money into something that is actually good. Okay...I'm off my soap box..I may get a lot of slack for this, but it is honestly the way I feel.

Updated On: 11/20/05 at 12:09 PM

#12

re: is broadway dead?

bdwybug55--- Get thee to "The Drowsy Chaperone."

Damn, this show better hit New York soon!

Can they place it on "rush order?"

re: is broadway dead?
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#13

re: is broadway dead?

I think you are signaling the death knell for Broadway based on a rumor(which may in fact be credible) that these particular producers who have a reputation for compromising artistic integrity for their own lucrative purposes are up to their old tricks... Fortunately we have contained these contaminants. I believe Broadway is very healthy.
#14

re: is broadway dead?

"Is Broadway dead?" is a very old question... going back much farther than you think. Gershwin asked the question. Rodgers & Hammerstein asked the question.

The answer is always no, but the symptoms are always there. We are all just waiting and starving for something NEW. We've all seen things "good" and "bad," but NEW comes along so rarely.

But the truth is it ALWAYS comes along... and when audiences least expect it. "Show Boat," "Oklahoma!" "Hair," "Company," "A Chorus Line" and others have shown us things we hadn't seen before.

There will be others. We just have to trust the artists out there, known and unknown... and encourage them... and be patient.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#15

re: is broadway dead?

I am not saying that musical theatre is dead...only that Broadway Musical Theatre is definitely in a major slump. Best12bars: "Drowsy Chaperone" could indeed be wonderful...but it is not on Broadway...here's hoping that it makes it but who knows. CreativeLunatic: My opinion is not based on this current rumor. I live in NYC and make it a point to go out and support the theatre as much as I can and I have just been stupified by the lack of good material in the current Broadway Musical scene. Like I said, musical theatre is not dead because I have seen some great productions in the creation process but they never make it to Broadway and I don't understand why.
#16

re: is broadway dead?

IF broadway survived the late 80's it will survive this. We may not like what it is or where it seems to be going, but unfortunatley it is a business and has to do certain things to survive. There was a time when people said ugh to many mini operas, ugh to many revivials... It goes through phases, right now it is recycle movies and stunt cast. Who knows what the future holds. Maybe some of these shows will bring in audiences that will turn around the trend.
#17

re: is broadway dead?

I don't think the reason for the difference is that hard to get at; Broadway is a tourist draw. Take, for example a show like See What I Wanna See, a more complex piece than the big, long-running commercial successes on Broadway, right? This all lies in the commercialization of Broadway, which is going to feed people (not particularly theatre buffs) what they want to see, and if that's brainless plots with people dancing like fools, then so be it. What makes money is what stays.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
#18

re: is broadway dead?

Best12bars: That is a very good point you make about looking back into the history of American Musical Theatre on Broadway. I know there are incredibly talented creators out there...I am just anxiously awaiting for some producer to take a chance. In the "old days" productions were underwritten and produced by very few people. Today you see the huge corporate backers and insanely long lists of producers for one show. The Broadway Musical is now much more of a corporate Big Business venture than ever and I think that is detrimental.
#19

re: is broadway dead?

I think Broadway is doing better than it was doing about ten years ago. RAGTIME -vs- LION KING is the last time I felt two legit shows battled it out for the Tony. Either deserved to win, although I felt LION KING had book issues and won for the sheer fact that it was artistically bold and brilliant. RAGTIME was all-together brilliant in every aspect.

AVE Q was an upset over WICKED, but c'mon. Two spectacles with attempting to keep a book in order. In the case of WICKED, a great storyline existed but they muddy it up with all these special effects and over-the-top songs in some cases. AVE Q was the opposite. It couldn't get a book in order. It was about too many things. But almost each and every song was outstanding and told its own story. But the central story holding the show together could have been told in 20 minutes.

URINETOWN lost to THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE. Both are "cute" shows. URINETOWN original and MILLIE based off the film. While I, again, highly enjoyed both, neither was 100% solid. I hate it when the story is put on hold so that "cute" songs and/or dances can be thrown in. URINETOWN was great already. Why mock other musicals (ie WSS and LES MIS)? It was fun, sure, but the point of the show wasn't to mock musicals. It was the story. And the story was lost in those moments.

Yes, I'm very picky. But think about it. When was the last time we had a show that was 100% to the story and didn't add "fluff" - whether it be out-of-place gags, songs, dances, whatever. Think AIDA's "My Strongest Suit." The fashion show. Nuff said.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
#21

re: is broadway dead?

Ground-breaking shows have ALWAYS had to fight battles with commercial backers. We just have to pray that the "money people" take the risks once in a while. Historically, they have as well, but it's a big gamble and it doesn't happen often. That's why we usually have to go to Off-Off-Off Broadway to find the gems.

Can you imagine Gershwin, as popular as he was, trying to sell Porgy & Bess to backers? God! "It's an opera... but I want to do it on Broadway... and cast opera singers... and it's an all-black cast... about poor people."

And Rodgers & Hammerstein (who had NO track record writing together) trying to sell Oklahoma by telling their backers, "I know you're used to seeing a big chorus number at the top of every show, with beautiful girls and costumes... but we want to open this show with an old plain woman, sitting alone on stage, churning butter."

Or how about Michael Bennett selling "A Chorus Line." It's a show with no set, no intermission, no overture, and only one costume change at the very end... oh, yeah, and there are no stars in it, and there never can be."

These battles are worth fighting for, tough as they are. We have to struggle with it and be worried about the state of Broadway and "the next level." That's how we ultimately get there.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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Updated On: 11/20/05 at 12:34 PM

#22

re: is broadway dead?

I too live in NY. and frequent theater on a weekly basis. It makes me sad that you find nothing on Broadway worthy of instilling optimism for it's longevity.
Broadway ,as you know is dependent on tourists to fill houses. They have proven in the past not to seek out the theatrical experience that is more intimate, innovative, and less dependent on star recognition and spectacle. Perhaps if our Broadway houses were smaller without such an enormous overhead, producers could afford to take risks on mounting the type of show you long for . Now sadly much is formulaic but I am still fortified by glimmers of artistic brilliance.
I also subscribe to many off-Broadway theatre companies and do not consider a venture unsuccessful just because it wasn't on Broadway. I am just delighted that we have so many venues. Yes, I agree that not all musical theatre is of extraordinary caliber but I am not ready to call a code 99...
#23

re: is broadway dead?

Most of the shows I mentioned were big successes as well as innovative and ground-breaking in their day.

It's possible to attract the tourists, the artists, the regular theatre-goers... all to the same show.

But it's rare, yes.

Keep the faith. There's another bus coming along any time now.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#24

re: is broadway dead?

Yes, Broadway is dead.

100%. NO life. There isn't a single show with real talent out there.

None.

Of course it's not dead. Stop being a drama queen.
"If it walks like a Parks, if it wobbles like a Parks, then it's definitely fat and nobody loves it." --MA
#25

re: is broadway dead?

Urinetown's staging satirized very specific musicals, for the most part, shows about the poor, the victimized and downtrodden, like Les Miserables, Oliver, Threepenny Opera, Fiddler on the Roof, etc. The idea behind it is to point out the irony of "serious musicals" charging an audience good money to illustrate the plight of the poor. The authors in their writing undermine all sorts of linguistic cliches (ie: "What an unexpected surprise!" "Is there any other kind?"), and Rando and Carrafa added the cliches of musicals in general as another layer. I disagree that the story was ever lost in the moments of musical parody in Urinetown. It was all a part of the show's general target of dishonesty in popular culture.
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