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"Norbert Leo Butz - The Last 5 Years"

No.

No one even associates him with that show now, mor will anyone remember that specific cast of that show in the future (or that show for that matter.)

This thread isn't called 'performances we like' it's about roles and performers that will last beyond their lifetimes in an intangible but spectacular way.

Most of the Wicked nerds probably associate Butz (who won't be associated with anything, frankly, any more than, say Hugh Panaro might be) with that show.

I mean, is it POSSIBLE for people to look BEYOND the limited scope of their own tastes and experiences to talk about the broader spectrum of theater and its history?

Just ONCE?

Updated On: 4/23/04 at 10:09 AM

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Robert Preston IS Harold Hill.
Craig Bierko did a fine job in the revival,
but it was his Preston-like mimics that sold the audience.
It worked - it was what the audience came to see!

Elaine Page though? I know in London she's a diva - but not here, so I guess I can't really comment, since I've never been there.

amen - John Popa...outside the box children!
But I won't live alone in a house of regret.
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Gertrude Lawrence - Anna
Joel Grey - Emcee (how can you even compare AC?)
Carol Burnett - Princess Winnifred
Ethel Merman - Mama Rose
Alfred Drake - Curly
Zero Mostel - Tevye
Carol Channing - Dolly Levi
Barbra - Fanny Brice
Richard Kiley - Don Quixote
Angela Landsbury - Mame & Mrs. Lovett
Bea Arthur - Vera Charles (if Golden Girls hadn't happened)
Barbara Cook - Marian
George Hearn - Albin
Lauren Bacall - Margo Channing & Tess Harding (if Katharine & Bette didn't eclipse her in their movie roles)
Katharine Hepburn - Coco Channel (infamously), but more seriously - Tracy Lord
Ben Vereen - Judas & Leading Player
Hermione Gingold - Madame Armfeldt
Donna McKechnie - Cassie
Gwen Verdon - Lola & Charity
Chita Rivera - Anita & Aurora/Spiderwoman
Raul Julia - Guido
Jim Dale - Barnum
Ezio Pinza - Emile
Yul Brenner - The King
Cyril Richard - Hook
Carol Haney - Gladys (by way of Shirley becoming a star)
Rex Harrison - Henry Higgins
Victor Moore - Alexander Throttlebottem & Moonface Martin
William Gaxton - Billy Crocker & John Wintergreen
Helen Morgan - Julie (showboat)


I'm fresh out of ideas. I think most of these are established performers who really defined these roles. Anyone think of any other performers from the early years? (20s 30s & 40s?)

From the evil she done Lord Set her free, Set her free, Set me free Don't let my sorrow Make evil of me
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surprised no one's said

Elaine Stritch - The Ladies Who Lunch!

Yul Brynner - The King
Mary Martin - Peter Pan
Tim Curry - Frank N Furter
Colm Wilkinson - Valjean
Michael Ball - Marius
Audra McDonald - Sarah (Daddy's Son)
John Cameron Mitchell - Hedwig





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"But if you mean the theatrical role he'll always be remembered for...I'd wait. He might get a better-written show next time and really blow everyone away. :) "

You mean even more blown away than people are now? re: re: But I see your point.

I know I'm in the minority, but he's never been Wolverine to me. I didn't see that film until AFTER I saw Kate and Leopold and a video of his performance in London as Curly.
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Did anyone say Angela Lansbury as Mrs. Lovett?
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Hugh is WOLVERINE dancing up a Peter Allen storm
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"D'you really think that the entire OBCs of Avenue Q, Hairspray, and RENT, which are filled with talented young actors, won't ever find roles more defining and fulfilling than the ones they played in those shows?"
No, I don't think that at all. I just think that anyone else who plays those roles in those shows will constantly be compared to the OBCs. It's already happened with Rent and Hairspray, I mean they're several threads on this board alone that compare currently cast member with past ones. As for Avenue Q, for now no one's left yet, thank goodness, but when someone does leave their replacement will be under comparison as well.
I'd also like to add:
Heather Headley- Aida
Nathan Lane- Bialy
Chita Rivera- ANITA
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Kerry Butler in the LSOH revival
"It does what a musical's supposed to do. It takes you to another world, and it gives you a little tune to carry with you in your head for when you're feeling blue."
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Ah, I gotcha, broadwaystar2b. You're basically answering the inverse of the original question: Instead of saying which roles an actor will always be associated with, you're saying which parts you think will always be associated with certain actors.

For example, you can say that anyone who takes on the role of Mrs. Lovett has to live up to the precedent set by Angela Lansbury. Conversely, though, the role most people will remember her for (a bit unfortunately) is the one she played in Murder, She Wrote. It's a small distinction, but I'm weird like that. :)
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sorry but i think most people feel that Kerri's Audrey is not memorable at all, it's Ellen Greene's portrayal that wowed us.
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Brando - Stanley Kowalski
Lee J. Cobb - Willie Loman
Roger Rees - Nicholas Nickelby
Tammy Grimes - Molly Brown
Debbie Reynolds - Molly Brown, too!
Coward and Lawrence - Elliot and Amanda
Gwen Verdon - Roxie
Gwen Verdon - Charity
Glynis Johns - Desiree Armfelt
Geraldine Page - Countess
Julie Andrews - Eliza Doolittle
Stanley Holloway - Alfred P. Doolittle
Rex Harrison - Henry Higgins
Richard Burton - King Arthur
Robert Goulet - Lancelot
Donna Murphy - Fosca

All that come to mind at the moment.

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"Hugh is WOLVERINE dancing up a Peter Allen storm"

To you yes, he probably is -- I'm assuming XMen was the first time you saw Hugh. But for me, Wolverine came after another film role, so I don't see it the same way. Even so, although Hugh charmed me as Leopold, it was his performance as Curly in Oklahoma that really made me sit up and take notice. Although, nowadays I think of Hugh more as Peter Allen than Curly. re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re:
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Apparently Jackman was the guy in Swordfish, and that was the first time I saw him. But whenever I think of Jackman I see Wolverine or the poster from The Boy From Oz.
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Sutton Foster~TMM
Kristin Chenoweth~WICKED
Idina Menzel~RENT, WICKED
Anthony Rapp~RENT
Adam Pascal~RENT, AIDA
Stephanie D'Abruzzo~AVENUE Q
J Tags~AVENUE Q
Julie Andrews~MY FAIR LADY
Kerry Butler~HAIRSPRAY
Marissa Jaret Winokur~HAIRSPRAY
Audra McDonald~RAGTIME
Brian Stokes Mitchell~RAGTIME, MAN OF LA MANCHA
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These may have been mentioned :)

LaChanze - Ti Moune
Barbara Cook - Cunegunde
Stephanie Mills - Dorothy in the Wiz
George Hearn - Sweeney
Liz Callaway - Lizzie in Baby
Dick Van Dyke - Albert Peterson
Patti Lupone - Evita
Mandy Patinkin - Che(Evita) George (Sunday)
Betty Buckley - Grizabella
Chita - Rosie in Birdie
Diahann Carroll - No Strings & Julia(TV)
Melba Moore - Lutiebelle - Purlie ( Hair Girl too)
Loretta Devine - Lorelle in Dreamgirls :)
Nell Carter - Nell in Ain't Misbehavin (TV show too)
Alice Ripley & Emily Skinner - Daisy & Violet (Side Show)
Faith Prince - Adelaide in Revival of Guys and Dolls
Carol Lawrence - Maria in West Side Story
Colm Wilkinson - Jean Valjean
Sheryl Lee Ralph - Deena in Dreamgirls
Michael Crawford - Phantom

That's all I can think of at the moment :) Fun thread.










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Jose-Nice mention of Donna Murphy as Fosca-Such a haunting performance she gave.
"Did you know that if you take the first two vowels in Olive and rearrange them it spells I-Love?"-Spelling Bee "It's night like this that hotel bars were specifically made." Light In The Piazza
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HELLO? Zero Mostel as Tevye! Also, Bernadette Peters isn't really KNOWN as the Witch in INTO THE WOODS. She's more known as Bernadette Peters than as anything else. I think the same with Chita Rivera, Julie Andrews and Gwen Verdon. One I would LIKE to add to the pile but can't (same reason as Chita, Gwen etc.) Barbara Streisand as Fanny Brice. Unfortunately she's now known as Barbara.
"Sing the words, Patti!!!!" Stephen Sondheim to Patti LuPone.

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