Adults and mature teens only- no obnoxious, stupid people allowed- Page 13

[jasonf]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:07pm

no argument there, penguin

[Marlene]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:07pm

I spy SAT vocab. WHOOOOOOOO! Word up!!!
Updated On: 2/18/06 at 03:07 PM

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:12pm

I guess my issue with the people who need to say they "hate, dislike, whatever children".....(and Kringas you know I love you)

is that I see no difference between that, and someone saying 'I hate/dislike gays, blacks, women, disabled people."

I think when we are the object being, um....negatively commented on, we feel different.......

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:16pm

First of all, I don't recall every saying I didn't like children. All I said was that I didn't particularly want to be around them. Tomato, tomahto, but there you are.

Second of all, one of the reasons I don't want to be around them on a message board is because I don't want to constantly have to watch what I say or how I respond to them.

Third, let the record show that while it may be perceived as sad that I don't really care for children, I didn't bring up or encourage a discussion about someone's "tatas" on a board where children could read it.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:19pm

No I think papa did that.

What I meant by what I said Kringas is even on the so called adult board the censorship would probably still be required, in some form. The children are MORE likely to read that than this.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:21pm

Papa brought it up. Someone else mentioned they had trouble staying in their shirt, hence the reason why I said both bring up or encourage. I'm just sayin', is all. The subject keeps coming back to how I "hate" children, and I'm just pointing out why I don't want them around.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 03:21 PM

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:24pm

When I was in high school, my "best friends" were teachers of mine (young teachers, but "adults" nonetheless). I found most of the girls my age to be pretty silly and petty. (Teen-age boys...I won't even go there.)

Now that I am in my late 40s, I have close friends who are 20 years younger than I am and 30 years older (and everything in between).

Obviously, my 20-something friends are very "mature" for their ages. When I talk to them, I don't even see an age difference between us because they are just so evolved. HOWEVER, I know plenty of people who are older than they are--and older than I am--who are incredibly shallow, self-absorbed and, well, juvenile. (Some of these people are members of my own family, sad to say.)

I met someone on this board who is a teen-ager and who is so mature that I had NO idea they were so young. As far as I'm concerned, if someone can carry their own in an "adult" conversation, let them join in.

Maybe some of us feel guilty when we "attack" the comments of a "young person" whose argument is flimsy but we feel totally justified attacking an "adult" we perceive to be ignorant. I know I have less patience for adults who make ignorant comments...but that doesn't make my response right. So, maybe, it's the "adults" who have to consider why they want a "separate" board.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I feel compelled to say that I completely understand the feelings of those advocating for an "adult board." I have two young children of my own, whom I love to pieces, but sometimes, Mommy and Daddy just want to talk about Deconstructionism or the theories behind the work of Buckminster Fuller...and we're really tired of Thomas the Tank Engine.

Once the kids are old enough (and if they even care), if they want to join Mommy and Daddy in analyzing the concept of the doppelganger in 20th Century literature, I say, "Great! Join the fun! Just, please, know what you're talking about OR...ask questions."

How will "young people" learn from our elevated, collective wisdom is we shut them out? (Sorry to "waffle" so, but I am a Gemini afterall.)

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:25pm

I mentioned it.

And I dont ever censor anything I say here.... Is that particularly wonderful of me? No it's not. But oh well, that's who I am.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:29pm

Right, so clearly you think that sort of talk and the direction it can lead conversation is appropriate for a board with children, since that is the stand you have already taken in this very thread.

You're correct. I wouldn't say that was particularly wonderful of you.

[BluCat500]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:31pm

The breast comment is nothing that couldn't be heard on an episode of Friends airing @6PM on a mainstream network.

And its certainly, tame compared to conversations teenagers have amonst themselves.

As far as children go, I believe they're the minority on the board as most of the members in question are young teens, aged 13 and up.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:35pm

The breast comment is nothing that couldn't be heard on an episode of Friends airing @6PM on a mainstream network.

And plenty of people feel that what airs at 6pm on a mainstream network has gotten plenty inappropriate for children, so I'm not quite sure of the point.

And plenty of conversations start off tame here and devolve into smuttier innuendo, which was the point I was making.

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:35pm

You are correct Blu. 13 and up is primarily what's on the board.

And not that I condone it, but 13 year olds now know a lot more than I did when I was 13. Making a joking comment about my 'tatas' (on a board where some of the younger posters have had half naked men/women as their user icons) is far more sedate than half the things I typically hear kids talking about these days.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:43pm

If I had even said "ta-tas" my face would have been slapped off my my mother......and come to think of it, it was once!

sorry kringas if I misunderstood what you had said

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 03:43 PM

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:52pm

Kringas, I think I understand your point here. (although the relative tamness of this comment makes it seem odd.) But do you understand mine, ridiculous agrguements like this one will not end because of the adult board. The kids will still be there. In the end I think there are some reasonable restrictions to place on ourselves (not being sexually graphic, not posting pornography, not propositioning the minors) but for the most part (and this goes for TV etc.) it is the responsibility of the parents of the children to police them, not mine.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 3:55pm

I don't discriminate. I hate everyone.

Problem solved.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:00pm

Going back a bit:

Elphaha said, "I guess my issue with the people who need to say they "hate, dislike, whatever children".....(and Kringas you know I love you) is that I see no difference between that, and someone saying 'I hate/dislike gays, blacks, women, disabled people."

But it is different. There's a huge difference. Plenty of rights are not bestowed upon people until they reach maturity. You can argue semantics and say that it means the law is implying they are less than a person, but a child not having the right to vote is not the same as a black person not having the right to vote, etc.

Back to the closer topic at hand. It would just seem that someone who makes a point of saying she doesn't censor herself would want an environment that was a little more conducive to that sort of behavior. I prefer not to censor myself, but I do because I realize that a lot of how I think and talk is not appropriate for the younger posters on these boards.

BluCat's comment that society is oversexualizing them or they're hearing words like "tatas" on Friends almost seems to say that we should mitigate our own responsibility, which I don't think we should. Two wrongs don't make a right, which is kind of how I read that (and I apologize if I'm misreading you).

On edit - Elph, never any worries. I didn't take it personally. I was just trying to make myself understood.

SmartPenguin - Yes, I do see your point. And I agree that it will always be hard to keep the kiddies out. I'm just not quite sure I understand the encouragement of inappropriate talk from people who advocate an age free for all.

Edited to change BluMoon to BluCat.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 04:00 PM

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:02pm

I am not sure I understand encouraging it either, my original comment here about that was complete sarcasm.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 04:02 PM

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:04pm

I didn't mean you.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:09pm

I am all for giving a new board a try and seeing what happens, honestly it can't really hurt.

Although maybe a system like Muscials.net, with boards for various shows, general topics, and other things would work better. Although I really hate that site overall.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 04:09 PM

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Updated On: 3/23/06 at 04:20 PM

[liotte]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:20pm

Wow, I just got home and you all have been busy.
I have to go back to CJR's "idiocy is in the eye of the beholder and in my personal eye that makes liotte a hypocrite for starting a thread in which she herself cannot post"

So I am immature for starting a thread to want to talk to adults? Last night, I was pissed that there was so much crap on the board, and even threads that were serious or I was enjoying were jacked with people craving attention and making dumb comments. I posted a new thread, asking to talk to the adults on the board, so I could get away from the teens for a bit. How is that wrong? I work with kids full-time, I can be childish and very much like a kid myself (and frequently am). If I want to talk to adults on occasion, why shouldn't I? If there is a serious topic of conversation and teens can participate in an appropriate manner, I'm all for it. Hence the thread title change to Adults and mature teens- no obnoxious, stupid people allowed.
Sorry if you think I am being hypocritical and immature for starting this thread. I think this has been an excellent conversation from adults and teens alike (with the exception of a couple threadjacks, to which you, CJR, helped contribute). If more threads on the OT and even the Main Board were like this, with people giving sane, logical, interesting viewpoints about a topic, there would be no need for a more serious forum.

[AbbaRabbit]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:23pm

.. beacuse "stupid obnoxious people" is so much nicer sounding.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 04:23 PM

[jasonf]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:30pm

I'm still trying to see the harm in having another board.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:34pm

But how would you distinguish adults vs. "non-adults"? An age limit?

[The Grovers Corners Yenta2]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 4:35pm

Want to keep obnoxious people away? Here's my plan: LISTEN TO ME EXPLAIN IN VIVID DETAIL MY JYSTERECTOMY!! I think that should do it.