Adults and mature teens only- no obnoxious, stupid people allowed- Page 11

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:42pm

"just INTELLIGENT conversations that don't get threadjacked because a topic isn't about Wicked or Rent."


Maybe I'm not on very often anymore, but are threadjacks of RENT and Wicked really that wide-spread? I can understand the annoyance towads multiple threads of these two shows, but have there really been otherwise intelligent conversations threadjacked by that? Something must be going on that I don't see since you're not the only one to have said this.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:43pm

I know that you and Namo are not talking about a "pornographic" board, but my contention is that is exactly what many "adults" will be looking for.

I have made it clear, I would like a place free of ridiculous threads about inane crap, but I don't think an adult board will provide that. My initial thought is that it would be even worse.

And if as you say, it can't keep the kids out, what is exactly is the point. If you say "don't go here" that is where people go. If it is a positive place such as the "student board" then it works better, I have never opened that, but if it was called "adlt peoplez keeps OUT!!!!" I probably would have gone in and caused trouble.

There is an "expectation" to follow basic grammatical rules already, and most people learn to follow it.

I want a new board, I think a filter is good, and if that has to be an "adult board" then so be it. My question is why would people think that is the answer? It seems a worse idea than many others.



ETA: While there is a reason kids can't gamble or drink I can not think of a reason a kid can't talk write about a good book on a message board.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 01:43 PM

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:45pm

Thanks for offering a byline, Pengy.

While we're at it, why not have additional filters that you can "add on." Like a "pettiness" filter or one for "vindictiveness" and another for "bigotry." The possibilities do seem limitless.

Since the human race does not appear to be evolving quickly enough (for me, anyway), let's use technology for what it is intended to do best: stop wasting our time. (Although it'll take me a long time to read the damned user's manual and figure out how to implement each filter, I'm sure.)

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:47pm

What I actually suggested when this came up in the past was to add a "message type" filter to each post.

The code may take some time to install, but I have seen it elsewhere.

Then we can set our personal settings so we only see those messages that match our interests.

[theatrebabe]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:48pm

I love it, pennywise.

Guys, just so you know, I don't think anyone on the student board doesn't want adults there. Most of the threads there are asking people for advice or opinions on auditions or something related. Adults opinions would be extremely welcomed since they're a more experienced(usually).

Just so you know. Don't feel like you can't participate there.

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 1:48pm

That makes sense.

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:14pm

Alright, I will bet money that I'm going to get completely flamed for this but you all know me -- I say what's on my mind and that's that... So here's the deal:

I think this entire topic is moot. Liotte, I think you were being somewhat childish for starting this thread. Even the adults get stupid, silly and immature from time to time.... and you know what? That is an amazingly wonderful quality. I LOVE meeting an adult who loves to get down and dirty with the kids -- play stupid games, have pointless conversations or even act like a child that age because, you know what? It's fun. I'm the first to admit that. I also noticed a comment you made to CostumeMistress about how she's always held herself remarkably well for her age and that's why you've always enjoyed talking to her. Frankly, I dont think you're in any position to make that remark to CM considering that you're not all that much older than she is. You and I arent too far apart in age and I dont view someone her age as one of the kids on the board, or one of the immature people. I view someone her age as, dare I say it, one of my peers. Now if you were in your 40's, I could have understood your comment. You don't really have that much more life experience than she does for your post to her to truly hold water.

Kringas said : I'm an adult. I've been an adult for quite a while. I don't have children, nor do I want them. I don't particularly want to be around them. I don't care if you're the smartest twelve year old to walk the planet. I was a preternaturally smart twelve year old, too, and I now understand why adults didn't want to be around me.

I think that's kind of sad. For as annoying as children can be (and I'm sure you can be annoying too, btw, because I know I surely can), for as much as you might want to walk away from a child when they start to piss you off, you can still get something from a child you will never get from another adult. Granted, I've met some kids in my day who DO deserve a good beating, but for every child like that, there are a handful of wonderfully smart, talented and articulate kids. Im sorry for you, that adults didnt want to be around you... perhaps you wouldnt feel the way you do about children now if they did. I was raised around all adults. There weren't any children in my neighborhood growing up, I have one older half sibling who never lived with me and I didnt have a younger brother till I was 10. My entire upbringing was spent in the company of adults and frankly, I find myself a better adult FOR it. I have a great appreciation for children. There are 4 kids I was a nanny for beginning when I was 13... (well, there were only 3 of them then) To this day, I hold them as 4 of the most important and influential people in my life. Over the years, they and their family became a second family to me, and not just the people I babysit for.

Mind you, I'm the first to admit that I don't want kids because, while I love them, I also love that I can give them back to their parents when they piss me off... so please don't misunderstand what I'm saying.

Is there a lot of nonsensical crap on the board? Yeah. Is there a lot of bullsh!t? Yeah. Are there posts that piss me off because they're so stupid? Sure. But you know what? It comes back to the same thing I've always said: It's a message board. Mind you, I'm not dismissing anything Namo said because as it's been mentioned in the past, Namo and I tend to be on the same page... and I completely understand where he's coming from.

You want a sense of camaraderie? You want to interact with people you're own age and have intelligent conversation? Get a group of your adult friends together and go out to dinner... quit whining about the kids on this board because then that makes you no better than the very kids you're complaining about.

An adult board could be the answer to your problem.... but what do you plan on doing to keep the kiddies out? Sure, it'll be an adult board in title only..... planning on password protecting it? If that's the case, why not just start your own board and don't give the address to the kids? From where I'm sitting, Rob has always bent over backwards to give all us members everything we've wanted... at this point, I find the requests/demands getting somewhat ludicrous.

A friend of mine who avidly reads this board but doesnt post is sitting here with me while I type this... She had the following to say and I thought I'd post it on her behalf: "idiocy is in the eye of the beholder and in my personal eye that makes liotte a hypocrite for starting a thread in which she herself cannot post"

Alright, I've added more than my 2 cents, so I'm going to get off my high horse now.

[AbbaRabbit]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:20pm

cjr, i love you.
i'm so sick of people moaning about how kids are ruining everything.
if the mods thought an adult board was a good idea, there would already be one.
i didn't even want to post in here but thank you for saying that.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 02:20 PM

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:32pm

AbbaRabbit, are you even a kid? Aren't you like twenty years old or something?

No one is saying that kids ruin everything. Some adults are just pointing out that perhaps that they'd like to have discussion free from them. As has been pointed out time and again, things aren't fair when you're a kid - you don't get to drink, you don't get to vote, you don't get to get into rated R movies. Whether or not the kid should be able to do these things isn't really the point, the point is that that there are arbitrary restrictions which are mainly for the protection of children.

An adult board (if it worked, as has been pointed out there's really no way to prove adulthood) would certainly be a detriment to the handful of younger posters who do contribute on a more adult level. Sadly, that's just the way it is. As you've not doubt heard many times in your young lives, live isn't fair. You'd think you're exceptional preciousness and intelligence would allow you to grasp that concept better than some of your less enlightened brethren.

As Orion59 said on the other thread about this subject, "If you are twenty years old, let's say, in your life off the board, do you have many freinds who are 40? Do you frequently hang out with people in that age catagory? Do have much in common with them? I have nothing against younger people, I was one myself once, but I don't have a circle of freinds who are in their tens or twenties. I have nothing in common with them. Why should that be so difficult a concept to grasp?"

Some may call it sad. Some may call it fair. Some just say that's just the way it is.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:34pm

I agree with you about peer brackets (actually I agree with most of your posts, many of those things are what I keep repeating)

I consider Plum, CM, Liotte, you, and jasonF (just picking people I know have posted here) in MY "peer bracket" even though the age range is fairly large, and it would be strange to treat any of you as if I were somehow "superior."

Kringas: The thing is if you are posting on a message board you are not within those limits Orion is talking about, you don't know who these people are or how old they are. You have decided to enter a different type of relationship with different boundaries.
And with your first point, I understand completely not wanting to be interact with the immature and the point of not wanting to be censored due to kids being present. But if it is unlikely to work practically, what is the point of creating the board? Will it just be a place that mainly consists of sex talk and bashing kids. If people start wanting to break it down farther and remove exposure to "20's" then do we start another board for that?

This whole thing just seems impractical to me.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 02:34 PM

[AbbaRabbit]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:35pm

i'm not a kid but i'm still sick of people b*tching about this so much
i like having conversations with all different people of different ages. if the adults went to oen board and the kids went to another board and the kids in school went to another board those conversations would not happen as much.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 02:35 PM

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:35pm

CJ, the point is NOT how Kringas feels about children.....the point is "should there be an adult board"....and the answer is yes.

There is an off-topic board, and if you don't want to participate, don't
There is a student board, and if you don't want to participate, don't
There is a Broadway board, and if you don't want to participate, don't

and...when, and I do believe it's a matter or when and not if, there is an adult board....don't participate.

It seems ridiculous to me that people are whining about this........you don't have to participate in it!
There are plenty of other boards to participate in at BWW.

This is still a free country....and no one forces you to go anywhere you don't want to.

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:36pm

Commenting on this, because I missed it:

"If you are twenty years old, let's say, in your life off the board, do you have many freinds who are 40? Do you frequently hang out with people in that age catagory? Do have much in common with them?

Actually, when I was 20, yes I did. I'm probably among the minority and I will agree with that.... I still frequently hang out with people who are 15-20 years older than I am. In fact, one of my very best friends is 25 years older than I am. And yes, we have a lot in common and have a wonderful time together.... throughout my life, my friends have always been significantly older than I am (though I do have a handful of friends my age, and a few younger).

It all depends on the people involved

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:39pm

Elphaba, I know the topic at hand. Im well aware of what it is. I was merely responding to what Kringas posted about his feelings towards children.

It seems ridiculous to me that people are whining about having one made. You (you generally, not you specifically) want adult company? Get off the internet and GO OUT.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:39pm

I'd agree that perhaps the ages used in Orion's quote aren't the best example (though I did choose to quote him).

Perhaps a better question is, when you were 13 years old did you have friends who were 35?

[jasonf]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:39pm

Look, kids AREN'T ruining everything. At least, that's not my view. I wouldn't be in the career I am if I thought that. BUT, on the other hand, I still don't see why the objection to having a place for the adults to talk just to adults if the kids can have a place just for the kids. That makes no sense to me.

And again, I am speaking hypothetically. The moderators can't REALLY verify how old anyone is, so there's no sure way to create a board like that anyway. It's like at Thanksgiving - there was the adult table and the kid table - the kids always tried sneaking off to the adult table, but with the exception of the wacky uncle who no one really liked anyway, the adults didn't bother with the kids' table. That's how this would work if the board was created.

In theory, I love the idea. In reality, I don't think there's much point.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:39pm

and frankly, being gay I have always had friends of ALL ages......

however this has nothing to do with the issue.

To me, this is just a group of people "the anti-adult board group" who want to decide what another group gets "the adult board people"....which is REALLY silly cause the antis AREN'T required to use it.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:42pm

Elphaba, things do not break down that simply.

My contention is still "what is an ADULT BOARD?"

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:44pm

It seems ridiculous to me that people are whining about having one made. You (you generally, not you specifically) want adult company? Get off the internet and GO OUT.

CJ, that is really a silly statement. Most of us (collective) DO go out and spend time with our friends........now what gives you the right to say that our (collective) adult company must not be on the internet?
You're not my parents nor my partner, hence you do not have that right.......

[jasonf]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:46pm

smartpenguin -- I think the idea is to have a board with threads JUST LIKE THIS -- that aren't threadjacked, where intelligent conversations can take place, and interesting threads don't have to be filtered through countless ones about the SAME topics over and over.

I'm amazed this thread HASN'T been jacked yet...but maybe the topic is just turning off the very people we're talking about.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:47pm

jason you may indeed have a point......

[jasonf]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:47pm

And I have plenty of adult friends. All of my girlfriends for the past 10 years (since I've been out of highschool) have been adults. I have a life off this board. What's wrong with wanting to talk to adults while ON this board as well?

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:48pm

Perhaps someone should be asking why so many older people are fixated on wanting to talk to children.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:48pm

jason, from the begining it has been my contention that that is very unlikely, and that is why I suggested a "serious" board or better yet an "inane" (I know that those titles are horrible) board may be better. That is not what everyone wants, and that is not how most people will see and "adult board"

(This thread was severly jacked, and came back on topic, just as happens with most other threads at some point.)

[CJR]

Posted: 2/18/06 at 2:49pm

You misunderstand.

I'm not saying adult company must not be on the internet. But you cannot go onto a message board -- KNOWING that they are primarily over run with children and teenagers who have nothing better to do to fill their time (no offense guys) -- and expect to have all this scintillating conversation... you (again, collectively) can't possibly expect to have all these profound conversations on a higher plane when you are mostly going to run into children. Again, not saying children aren't capable of that, but, if the main complaint here is how childish and immature everyone is, wouldnt the logical thing to do be to walk away and find someone else you'd rather talk to?

Most of what I've seen on this thread (I'm not saying everyone and Im not singling anyone out) is the adults acting like children.

Updated On: 2/18/06 at 02:49 PM