Am I the Only Republican actor?- Page 3

[blueroses]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:12pm

So is Kate Mulgrew.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:13pm

oh like al qaeda isn't full of a bunch of hypocrites!?

I stand by what I said--they should be exposed. I didn't say sent to jail aka your inserting the word "outlaw".

I think those men and women preaching sanctity of marriage who have not actually demonstrated it themselves should be laughed at. I think it's hypocritical for a mayor to tell people they can't **** or watch porn when he's off ****ing someone behind his wife's back.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:14pm

Don't forget...
...HIM!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:16pm

And look what Republicanism and conservative Christianity did to him!!!! The horror.

[gymman]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:18pm

yup

but Denzel! oye...

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:19pm

oh please, that happens to every baldwin regardless of religion. alec has a head the size of a casaba melon.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:20pm

That list though!!
Gary Sinise? Denis Leary? Et tu, boys?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:22pm

and good luck with that, jrb. i'll bear in mind your scathing hatred of hypocrites.

besides, the mayor doesn't make the laws, the city council does.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:27pm

Oh, Christ, papa, you know what I meant--Rudy advocated something and it got done. But if getting technical on me somehow wins your point, bully for you, babe.

And everyone is a hypocrite at times. Some of us just affect other people's lives and rights is all.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:28pm

Another example of how the Republican majority caters only to the rich....

Senate defeats minimum wage increase
Democratic proposal for $7.25 an hour fails to get the 60 needed votes

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate Wednesday defeated a proposal pushed by Democrats to raise the federal minimum wage in increments from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour by Jan. 1, 2009.

House Democrats, like their Senate counterparts, are pushing a $2.10-per-hour minimum wage increase. Last week, the House Appropriations Committee voted to include the wage hike in a fiscal 2007 labor and health spending bill.

House Republican leaders, who oppose raising the minimum wage, have put that bill on a backburner because of the amendment.

[DBillyP]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:32pm

I am surprised to see only one closet case on pal's list.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:37pm

dbp, that is no way to talk about robert duvall.

[kelzama]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:38pm

Jimnysf, contrary to popular liberal belief, raising the minimum wage depresses business and job opportunities. It also gives anyone making over minimum wage an instant paycut, as businesses adjust pricing, hours, jobs and benefits to pay for that minimum wage increase.

From a small business owner perspective, the axing of the minimum wage increase isn't beneficial to the rich; it benefits me. I can afford to employ the staff I need at the prices I can afford. Mandatorily increasing my payroll by $84/week per employee will mandatorily mean I give at least one of the employees the axe to pay for the salary increases for the others. Like most small business owners, any extra income goes right back into the business, not my pocket.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:41pm

"From a small business owner perspective, the axing of the minimum wage increase isn't beneficial to the rich; it benefits me. I can afford to employ the staff I need at the prices I can afford."

And from a worker's perspective it's not possible for people to live on $5.15 per hour. Not all minimum wage workers are part time. Some are trying to support themselves and or their families.

[gymman]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:47pm

if you own the business, you make much more than a minimum wage worker, who in fact earns that money for you.

[kelzama]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:47pm

Then live the American dream, work harder, educate yourself more, blah blah blah.

You cannot (and 60+years of increased federal funding to social welfare supports this) federally mandate poverty out of existence. When will the lowest wages be high enough? By definition, never. That's why they're the lowest. If you want to make more, you have to earn more. Guh.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:50pm

Thank you kelzama. That was excellently articulated. This has been explained to liberals over and over again and they still can't seem to grasp the simple concepts of economics.

Additionally, if a small business owner is forced to absorb the higher cost of salary expense, the owner is going to pass the cost on to the consumer and raise prices, thereby making it more difficult for minimum wage workers to afford things like food.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:53pm

"Then live the American dream, work harder, educate yourself more, blah blah blah."

Blah, Blah, Blah is right. Talk about a canned right wing response. Hard work does not equate to high wages and not everyone can afford higher education. Are you making $5.15 per hour? I doubt it. Stop watching the Fox "News" channel and pay your workers a fair wage. If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have a business.

[DG]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:53pm

Why doesn't it occur to anyone to investigate mandating a maximum wage - like the situation in Holland where they regulate the disparity between the highest and lowest wage-earners within a corporation?

And question - I do think it's possible to believe in the foundational principles of a party, yet disagree with some of the practices of those who currently represent it. But where do you draw the line? I assume there are still core issues that keep you 'within the fold,' so what would they be?

[gymman]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 1:56pm

"Then live the American dream, work harder, educate yourself more, blah blah blah."

The myth is that hard work=money, which is clearly does not; if it did, people who clean toilets would make a whole lot more than they do. The American Dream, as you call it, is about luck, birth, in some ways race and gender, and certainly not only about hard work.

Updated On: 6/21/06 at 01:56 PM

[kelzama]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 2:00pm

Why, gymman, what an utterly presumptuous statement.

No, as a small business owner, I took the risk. I shelled out my life savings on a risky venture with over 50% failure rate. (BTW, the nature of the business has nothing to do with the failure rate; it is what it is). I survived through the tough times by scrimping, saving, playing the credit card game, paying my employees before myself.

You better believe that after I took the risk, I'll make more than my minimum wage employees.

There are also the months when I took no salary at all, just to keep the doors open.

I'm certainly not sitting around the mansion eating bon bons while those mega buck checks from my minimum wage earners pay my bills. We're talking real America here. Double Guh.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 2:01pm

"The myth is that hard work=money, which is clearly does not; if it did, people who clean toilets would make a whole lot more than they do. The American Dream, as you call it, is about luck, birth, in some ways race and gender, and certainly not only about hard work.".

So true. Why don't Republicans understand this? They turn a blind eye and spout off that nonsense about hard work and education.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 2:01pm

"if it did, people who clean toilets would make a whole lot more than they do."

No because there is very little skill needed to clean a toilet. What kelzama is talking about is working hard to build a business that cleans toilets, i.e. drumming up business, finding workers who will do the work, etc.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 2:01pm

I would have more sympathy for Kelzama's argument if the discrepancy between executive compensation and that of the "worker" had not become so incredibly huge these past 20 years.

Back in 1999, before the excesses of the Bush Administration and the jump in corporate profits, the Washington Post reported that if the minimum wage increased at the same rate as senior executive compensation, it would be $22.00.

I understand that the small mom and pop businesses may not in a position to easily absorb an increase in compensation, but something has to be done to correct the current situation: the richest are using the system to protect record profits, while the poverty rate continues to rise.

[DG]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 2:04pm

Goth - it might not take any skill, but if they don't do it, you don't have a business at all. Like YWIW, I think the profits need to be more evenly distributed.