Broadway Legend Joined: 5/10/05
unfortunately calvin when you vote for someone, you don't get to pick which part of them you are voting for. SO if you help elect someone that is a fag basher even if you don't agree with their fag bashing, you are still responsible for any fag bashing he or she does.
you suck what, shoot?
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/10/05
wait, so, so what, the only reason you vote republican is because of money (since you've calimed to support every other non republican policy)
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
Um... politcal talk? I'll honestly say that I don't know enough about politics to argue either way. Or state anything on behalf of any party.
Stand-by Joined: 6/20/06
That is true, but this is also why the types of republicans I will put in office are like Rudy Gullianni(sp?) who is very moderate on the moral issues.
other than that I try to vote as moderate as possible...unless I am voting for something specific that the canditate stands for specifically.
For example in michigan we need jobs bad, Republican candidate for Governor Dick DuVoss wants to get more jobs. That is something I am passionate about, and therefore would give him my vote because of it.
True, Zoneace. There's a practical aspect to being socially liberal in the entertainment industry, too. If you fag-bash, and you're on television, your hair, wardrobe and makeup people will make sure you look like this:
or this
or this
Stand-by Joined: 6/20/06
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
"That is true, but this is also why the types of republicans I will put in office are like Rudy Gullianni(sp?) who is very moderate on the moral issues.".
Huh? Rudy didn't like the gay cruising spots in NYC so he had them torn down. He didn't like people going to porn shops, so he had those torn down. (No. I was not a regular there but they didn't bother me and it wasn't my business if others went there). All the while he was having an affair with his "assistant" while his wife and kids read about it in the paper. Such a guy that Rudy.
Stand-by Joined: 6/20/06
He got rid of the trash in Times Square because Michael Eisner was apprehensive about putting a show on Broadway because it was not a "family friendly" place to be in New York.
I say that getting rid of that garbage has renewed New Yorks Times Square spirit and brought big business to an area that could only benefit from it!
as somebody who used to have to fight through the hookers and the hustlers and the hoods to get to work in times square, i'll take the tourists, thanks.
Stand-by Joined: 6/20/06
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/20/04
Don't forget lawyer-turned-actor-turned-congressman-turned-actor-again Fred Dalton Thompson.
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
"Rudy didn't like the gay cruising spots in NYC so he had them torn down."
Actually, I believe this was policy that was started by Ed Koch. Koch did it under the banner of "public health and the AIDS crisis." Rudy just became more aggressive about finishing what was started.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
"as somebody who used to have to fight through the hookers and the hustlers and the hoods to get to work in times square"
Haven't you noticed that they have returned? Porn shops or no porn shops. The Police are rounding up gangs there. The arcade had to be shut down due to gang issues. And you make no mention of Rudy's affair that he carried on while telling others how to live their moral lives?
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
Don't forget about Margaret Colin and Patricia Neal, who are also strongly anti-choice.
there's no comparison between now and then, jimmy. none.
i see a distinction between encouraging prosecution of nuisance crimes (which has been shown to help reduce overall crime) as they are crimes and having an affair as it's not the last time i looked.
No--closing down porn theatres and sex clubs could be seen as hypocritical if it had been based on morality. While sex in a sex club is illegal--it shouldn't be.
Patricia Heaton is anti-choice? And she still makes Lifetime movies??
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
"i see a distinction between encouraging prosecution of nuisance crimes (which has been shown to help reduce overall crime) as they are crimes and having an affair as it's not the last time i looked."
But the original Rudy discussion was based on morals, was it not?
"...but this is also why the types of republicans I will put in office are like Rudy Gullianni(sp?) who is very moderate on the moral issues.".
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
Yes jrb. Patricia Heaton and Margaret Colin have been very upfront and vocal about their views on abortion and their involvement in the movement.
i didn't bring up morals and i felt no need to include it in my statement.
as you specifically asked me to address it, i did so. as far as i'm concerned, as long as their personal life does not compromise their ability to do their job, it is not an issue.
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
"there's no comparison between now and then, jimmy. none."
That's the truth. At one time, people were afraid to go near the Nederlander Theatre because it was such a gross neighborhood. Lena Horne was the only one that could get the customers into the theater. Around Port Authority was nasty. You would have to get off the bus and step over sleeping homeless people. In stank in there from them sleeping and not bathing. In PA and the immediate vicinity, the homeless, drug addicts and prostitutes were extremely confrontational. You had to step around where they had vomited and urinated. It was a disgusting neighborhood.
"as long as their personal life does not compromise their ability to do their job, it is not an issue."
So, you would apply this to Bill Clinton as well?
I agree that one's personal life should not be an issue, BUT when one's personal life is a complete hypocrisy for the decisions they are making, I would argue that they deserve to be outted as such.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
Hooray JRB!
Model and "actress" Kathy Ireland (well, she was in Loaded Weapon 1) is also a big-time pro-lifer.
i had no problem with clinton getting head from a pudgester intern. i thought it was a lotta hooey, jrb. i've said so before on this board.
if you're gonna outlaw hypocrisy then we might as well fold up the tent and hand the country over to mexico or have zawahiri step in and declare the caliphate they want now because every politician is guilty of it at some level, so it's a matter of degrees.
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