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[kelzama]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 3:42pm

Pop quiz, class:
True or False: The first Earth Day was celebrated to increase awareness of Global Warming.

Answer: False. Global Cooling was the concern of the 70s. Warming of the 50s, cooling of the 20s-30s, warming of the the turn of the 20th century.

Anyone see a pattern here?

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 3:45pm

Pattern? Only that people have been concerned about the earth's climate for a number of years.

My question is:

Would anyone argue that the science of measuring these changes has gotten significantly better since the 1970's?

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 3:52pm

You are confusing apples and oranges. Earth Day did not focus specifically on one condition, but the environment in general


By Senator Gaylord Nelson, Founder of Earth Day

. . .

After President Kennedy's tour, I still hoped for some idea that would thrust the environment into the political mainstream. Six years would pass before the idea that became Earth Day occurred to me while on a conservation speaking tour out West in the summer of 1969. At the time, anti-Vietnam War demonstrations, called "teach-ins," had spread to college campuses all across the nation. Suddenly, the idea occurred to me - why not organize a huge grassroots protest over what was happening to our environment?

I was satisfied that if we could tap into the environmental concerns of the general public and infuse the student anti-war energy into the environmental cause, we could generate a demonstration that would force this issue onto the political agenda. It was a big gamble, but worth a try.

At a conference in Seattle in September 1969, I announced that in the spring of 1970 there would be a nationwide grassroots demonstration on behalf of the environment and invited everyone to participate. The wire services carried the story from coast to coast. The response was electric. It took off like gangbusters. Telegrams, letters, and telephone inquiries poured in from all across the country. The American people finally had a forum to express its concern about what was happening to the land, rivers, lakes, and air - and they did so with spectacular exuberance. For the next four months, two members of my Senate staff, Linda Billings and John Heritage, managed Earth Day affairs out of my Senate office.



Earthday

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 3:58pm

"Hey, Gotham, been to the Sudan lately?"

Liberal point #2. When faced with a victory, the liberal will just point out how bad it is somewhere else.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:00pm

Ah, stupid, stupid Gotham.
No. What I am pointing out is that the literal destruction of an entire people had not been occurring in Iraq, just the presence of a dictator over our oil.
In the oilles Sudan, we don't really have to worry about whether or not those darkies are killing one another.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:02pm

"Ah, stupid, stupid Gotham."

Liberal point #3. When faced with truth, call your opponent names.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:04pm

Maybe what you hear on Fox News ain't necessarily so...


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IRAQ: Saddam Better for Women
Sanjay Suri

LONDON, Mar 29 (IPS) - Women were far better off under former Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein, a women's group has found after an extensive survey in Iraq.

'Under the previous dictator regime, the basic rights for women were enshrined in the constitution,' Houzan Mahmoud from the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq told IPS in an interview. The group is a sister organization of MADRE, an international women's rights group.

Under Saddam, she said, 'women could go out to work, university and get married or divorced in civil courts. But at the moment women have lost almost all their rights and are being pushed back into the corner of their house.'

The recent constitution which was written under the U.S. government's supervision is 'very backward and anti-women,' Mahmoud said. 'They make Islam the source for law making, and the main official religion of the country. This in itself means Islamic Sharia law and according to this women will be considered second-class citizens and will have no power in deciding over their lives.'

The whole of Iraqi society has been subjected to 'chaos and brutalisation,' she said. 'Security is absent, all basic services, and above all the protection for women's rights is in no way on the agenda of any of the political parties who have been hand-picked by the U.S. administration in the installed so-called parliament.'

MADRE is calling for the deployment of a United Nations-led peacekeeping force and an immediate end to the U.S. occupation. As the crisis in Iraq intensifies, the group says women and their families in Iraq face an urgent need for security, functional government, and the provision of basic services within a human rights framework.

Over three years of occupation, the situation is becoming more dangerous and bleak with the presence of the occupying forces, and 'the more violence and terrorism is in function in Iraq the more women will fall victims of such climate,' she said.

'The rape, abduction, abuse in prisons by prison guards, and killing of women is widespread,' she said. 'The lack of security and proper protection for women is a major issue and no one, neither the occupying forces nor the local police of the puppet regime. is doing anything about it.'

But the position of women does vary within Iraq, she said. 'In the Kurdish part the situation of women is slightly better because Iraqi Kurdistan was out of the hands of the Ba'ath regime from 1991, so it was not part of the U.S. military attacks in 2003. But the attitude towards women is not progressive there.'

Beyond any dangers from the political situation, 'a lot of so- called 'honour killings' are still taking place, and the Kurdish authorities are not doing much to prevent it from happening.'

But the south is directly under daily military occupation 'and the presence of various Islamic armed militias who are terrorising women has made their situation worse,' Mahmoud said. 'Also, the so-called parliament is divided on the bases of religious sects and ethnic backgrounds, so the majority of Shiittes who are in power are institutionalising women's oppression and are systematically forcing Islamification on Iraq.'

Women are 60 percent of the population of Iraq but they are not being consulted on any political issues and are being deprived of this right, she said.

The presence of a few women should not mislead people on the situation of women, she said. 'The U.S. administration has handpicked a few women and imposed them on people in the so-called parliament,' she said. 'These women are very unknown to Iraqi women. Most of them belong to the reactionary right wing parties in power and they follow their agenda, which is discriminatory against women.'

Women would first like to see 'an end to the military occupation which has created chaos and destruction of Iraqi society and also resulted in the daily mass killing of ordinary Iraqis.'

Women particularly would 'want to see security restored so at least they can go out freely without being attacked, kidnapped or having acid thrown on their face,' Mahmoud said. 'In addition, women want equality, freedom and their rights to be recognised in the constitution, and above all to be treated as equal human beings.' (END/2006)

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:05pm

"Liberal point #3. When faced with truth, call your opponent names."

Is Ann Coulter a Liberal? She must be because nobody does more name calling than Ms. C.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:08pm

Goth, if there is victory does that mean all of the troops can come home now?

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:10pm

Jimmy, the truth just stings poor, stupid Gotham, that's all.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:11pm

"Ask all those women who were forced into Sadam's rape rooms."

And that has nothing whatsoever to do with this war. We were lied to about the weapons of mass destruction. Lies! And Bush knew they were lies. There was never any mention of anything else until the lies were exposed and then Bush and his gang started to use other excuses for invading Iraq and starting the war ("Shock and Awe", "Bring It On!"). A war for which he declared, "Mission Accomplished!" and that was years ago. The war still rages on.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:12pm

I respectfully ask the conservatives on this thread to read the article I posted at 4:04:11 and comment on it?

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:12pm

"Is Ann Coulter a Liberal? She must be because nobody does more name calling than Ms. C."

Liberal point #4. When really desperate point to Ann Coulter, who is an opinion writer. But ignore the name calling that elected officials and party leaders such as Howard Dean do.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:13pm

"Ask all those women who were forced into Sadam's rape rooms."

Gotham, are you now speaking for the women who were tortured under Sadam?

If I were to ask the women who were forced into Sadam's rape rooms, if the current fighting in Iraq is freeing the world from hatred? Are you saying that their answer would be yes?

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:13pm

Pal Joey, since when has Gotham EVER answered a question.
He searches for the latest (read: hashed and rehashed) talking point from Rush and posts it, then retreats until he can find some non sequitur to latch onto.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:13pm

yep, objective bunch, them.
organization of women's freedom in iraq

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:15pm

Are they any more subjective than Fox News?

They are fighting for the rights of women in an Islamic society, fighting the Shi'ites, the Sunnis, the Kurds, the Americans...no one is standing up for the rights of women there.

Why should you put them down?

Updated On: 6/21/06 at 04:15 PM

[Elphaba]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:15pm

interesting that Goth, rather than deal with the issues and reply with a coherent issue, he would rather attack the supposed behavior of a democrat.
Hence no comment on Sudan.

[jimnysf]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:15pm

"Liberal point #4. When really desperate point to Ann Coulter, who is an opinion writer. But ignore the name calling that elected officials and party leaders such as Howard Dean do."

Or Bush and Dick did when they called that reporter a "real asshole" and it was picked up and broadcast. Or Dick giving the finger, etc, etc, etc.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:19pm

are they any different from fox news?

so pj you're saying they're no better than fox news or as you've called it, "faux" news? with all the disdain around here for fox why should this article then merit any serious discussion if by your own admission they are no better than "faux" news?

*edited to include pj's original post to which i responded.

geez, it's hard to keep track of what you actually want to say.

Updated On: 6/21/06 at 04:19 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:23pm

What's wrong with them?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:26pm

who said there was anything wrong with them? i merely pointed out that their coverage was something less than "fair and balanced". you made the leap to "faux" which i guess nullifies anything they've done, right? i guess i have to ask what you find so distasteful about them pj that you would compare them to a group about whom you've never concealed your contempt.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:27pm

Not one of you conservatives has responded to the statements abotu women's rights in that article.

Go ahead. Read it. Reading the other side won't turn you into a liberal. I promise you.

(At least not all at once.)

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:34pm

i did read it. i bet "baghdad bob" would tell you that he'd like things back to the way they were too. back when iraq was a place full of flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.

got any objective reporting?

[Gothampc]

Posted: 6/21/06 at 4:34pm

"Not one of you conservatives has responded to the statements abotu women's rights in that article."

Liberal point #5. Liberals don't have very demanding jobs. As a result, they have all day to sit around and read and post conspiracy articles. If a conservative doesn't respond within 10 minutes they get very testy. Liberals fail to realize that, with a majority vote for President and Congress, Republicans are very busy running the country.