Apparently, the hate mongering isn't restricted to America.- Page 2

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:09pm

Did I miss the memo where I was talking about Republicans?

I was talking about religious people, I don't care what politial party they're affiliated with.

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:12pm

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.


Just a couple of peace loving highlights form Leviticus...

You'll possibly excuse me if I have mistakenly equated religion with bigotry and violence.

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:12pm

...

Oh wait; that wasn't directed towards me. Was it?

I really need to sleep.

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:16pm

Bigotry is not limited to a particular religion, nor is it limited to one particular political ideal.

People who are truly unbiased will not just support the rights of those who agree with them. For instance, should the KuKluxKlan or Westboro Baptist Church be entitled to protest events? The sad truth is, that as long as they do not cross the threshold into violence, they have every right. Their minority view, while unpopular and quite contrary to mine, is, and should be , protected . I know that once the rights of one group are violated, my rights coul dbe next..

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:17pm

ok, so bill clinton's a bigot? seriously?

and yeah, laws are better than beheadings and slaughter in my book. laws can be repealed and declared unconstitutional, death is rather final.

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:22pm

Bill Clinton allowed a bigoted law to be passed with his name on it. Sounds like a bigot to me. (Really, it sounds like someone playing politics but, still, the resistance to gay marriage continues to be *only* put forth because of religious traditions. Democrats aren't that much better on the topic than Republicans because a) all of them want to be elected and b) it's still easy to be bigoted against gays without looking like a bigot because you can say a Magic Sky Person told you it's ok.)

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:30pm

But as my earlier link shows protests by a religious group did become violent and whadda ya know yesterday a sold-out show has now had to cancel it's entire run encroaching on the authors and actors freedom of speech.

A worrying prescedent has been set.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:43pm

re: the sikhs

friggin' cowardly limeys giving into a coupla towelheads...

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:54pm

Clinton: I truly feel passed DADT and DOMA to prevent harsher legislation from passing in their place.

There has been plenty of murder by religious freaks in the history of this country: against Native Americans, African Americans, Jews, Gays, Abortion doctors, etc.

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:56pm

Except ya know, a lot of times religious crusades are used as a cover-up for violence and bigotry that's really economic in origin.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 1:59pm

shhh, plum, you're using logic which as you damn well know has been banned! i demand that you recant that post and fill it with hysterical nonsense!

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:06pm

Except ya know, a lot of times religious crusades are used as a cover-up for violence and bigotry that's really economic in origin.



And this justifies religion how?

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:08pm

Since when does religion need to be justified?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:08pm

sis, are you agitating for the banishment of all religion?

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:13pm

To address it in the specific -

since it began stopping my freedom of attending the theatre.


and in the general it needs to be justified in the way that anything that influences, holds powers and impacts on our lives need to be able to justify itself.

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:16pm

That's my point. "It" is not attacking theater. People on the fringe who happen to be using religious justification are attacking theater. But I guess you're too busy congratulating yourself on your atheist perfection to realize that religion is something that can produce good and tolerance as well as harm and bigotry.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:20pm

not sure if any of all that is aimed at me, but just in case, I would like to clarify that I do not equate terms like "religious freaks" with most Christians (or Jews or any other religion).

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:22pm

Nope, it was addressed to Sister George's comment that religion needs to be justified because it attacks theater, a truly surreal opinion if I ever heard one.

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:27pm

People on the fringe...?

The 'faith leaders' had asked for the setting to be changed from a temple to a community centre.

The Roman Catholic Archbishop of Birmingham, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, said: "Such a deliberate, even if fictional, violation of the sacred place of the Sikh religion demeans the sacred places of every religion."

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:30pm

This must mean anyone who has any religious beliefs whatsoever is an anti-theater freak. Right? Because something about believing in a higher power automatically makes you into a bigoted, foaming-at-the-mouth bastard. Therefore, the existence of religion really can't be justified.

Am I getting your logic right?

[Sister George]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:32pm

I never actually said religion 'attacks' theatre.. that was your conclusion of my comments.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:34pm

I also want to point out that this show was protested when it played in NYC. If I remember correctly, they had to put up metal detectors to screen people coming into the theater.

[Plum]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:35pm

Let's draw a line from post to post-

I pointed out that many "religious" crusades are actually economic in nature. You said, and I quote:

And this justifies religion how?

I responded by asking since when religion needs to be justified. You replied, and I quote:

since it began stopping my freedom of attending the theatre.

Therefore, I concluded, strangely enough, that you were accusing religion of attacking theater. Silly me.

Say what you mean or don't talk at all. You're making yourself look as foolish as any religious nutjob.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:36pm

which one, goth? the towelhead one or gay jesus?

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/21/04 at 2:41pm

Plum,

I say this with love in my heart:

Take a nap.

I know you're tired. So take a nap.

People are very passionate about this subject (as I'm sure you know). And speaking from a place of pure passion isn't always going to yield the most coherent thoughts. But you have to recognize that passion and that it comes from a very real place. As an Israeli, I'm surprised you don't see where these very real (though perhaps a little irrational) thoughts are coming from.

But, then again, though things are HARDLY a bed of roses in Israel, you were the majority. You had a support system in place, through your government and families. That support system does not truly exist in this country (or, indeed, the UK) for gays and lesbians.

So please, for your sake, take a nap...get refreshed...and come back.