Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election- Page 5
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#100
Posted: 10/27/10 at 9:50am
Interesting that Obama stopped by to convey to the participants his "personal" commitment to the repeal of DADT.
His "personal" commitment as opposed to his "professional" commitment. More of his bullsh*t.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#101
Posted: 10/27/10 at 10:50amWho on earth is A Director talking to? How on earth did he arrive at his nonsensical conclusion?
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#102
Posted: 10/27/10 at 10:52amHe's talking to you! And to me! And to all of us who dare criticize the greatness of Our Fierce Advocate!!!!
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#103
Posted: 10/27/10 at 11:28am
Phyllis, the media has done an excellent job reporting on the results of this election and it's still a week away! It's endlessly amusing when they "Predict" the result, then express shock when they were completely wrong. It's a shame that pretty much all media feels it necessary to tell you "why" something will happen, or has happened.
Remember 2004 where the "big" story was that VALUES VOTERS (people who told exit polls that a candidate's values or morals were "Very important" to them) had put Bush back in the White House. (Of course, further examination revealed that those "Value voters" were actually split down the middle- just as many people voted Kerry because of HIS values.)
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#104
Posted: 10/28/10 at 10:41am
Folks....
It's about re-election.....if Obama thought that he could win the election by announcing a Federal Amendment Outlawing Marriage Equality, he'd be announcing it in a press conference right now.
Fortunately for Gays and Lesbians, the backlash against him would be tremendous.
They have crunched the numbers and determined that it's worth alienating a portion of the Gay and Lesbian voters in order to insure that they maintain support in other areas.
Once all the data has been massaged, Gay and Lesbian voters are expendable.
Face it...the Democrats have determined that they don't need our votes, our volunteer hours, or our donations.
They will, however, be more than glad to blame us if Obama loses the election. We make might fine scapegoats.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#105
Posted: 10/28/10 at 10:53am^ I think that's a very accurate summation.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#106
Posted: 10/28/10 at 10:59amHard to disagree with, Windy, and an even darker picture than I'd have imagined. Our upcoming scapegoating for the Republican takeover of Congress won't be pretty at all. If we thought we'd been tossed under the bus in the first two years of Obama's administration, we ain't seen nothing yet.
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#107
Posted: 10/28/10 at 11:48amI'll disagree- that article quotes Chicago gay activists- not Democratic party officials (or Obama) as saying Democrats will lose and it's because of the gays. No one has been thrown under the bus. If anything, "the gays" quoted seem to be jumping under the bus.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#108
Posted: 10/28/10 at 12:05pmFair enough. But apart from the scapegoating bit, I still agree with the rest of it.
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#109
Posted: 10/28/10 at 12:14pm
At the risk of touching off another round of gay rage, Obama did just reassert his determination to repeal DADT and DOMA, didn't he? And again, I have to think back to Clinton- he did exactly what Windy is (preemptively) accusing Obama of- after making gays a big part of his campaign he did indeed "win the (re)election by announcing a Federal Amendment Outlawing Marriage Equality" and the gay community shrugged.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#110
Posted: 10/28/10 at 12:44pm
Your memory is inaccurate. The gay community did not shrug. There were organized responses to DOMA. If there were slick social networking interfaces in 1996 like there are 14 years later, you would have seen the same swift responses to Clinton's signing of DOMA as you have seen here.
I'm not sure why you take comfort in notions like things like "this happened before under whatever president/this is nothing new". That in fact illustrates why the patience of many people has run out. People do reach their limits. People do finally have enough.
Listening to Obama argue flatly on the Daily Show last night that there has been no administration in history that has blah blah blah gay community blah blah blah seems to me that he too, is missing the same point you are, Joe. Nobody has been very good before him and many of us were fooled into thinking Obama would set the bar much higher.
I agree with Windy City Actor's analysis. That is why I am going to urge him to run for President in the Crisco Oil Party. I'll be his undersecretary.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#111
Posted: 10/28/10 at 12:47pm
Clinton was president almost two decades ago. Baby steps, indeed.
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#112
Posted: 10/28/10 at 1:32pmSo the gay community voted Dole in 1996? I don't know how I missed that. I guess I was attending too many gay fundraisers for Bill Clinton to notice.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#113
Posted: 10/28/10 at 1:51pm
"That is why I am going to urge him to run for President in the Crisco Oil Party. I'll be his undersecretary."
Don't bring Chuck.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#114
Posted: 10/28/10 at 1:58pm
Really, it's not either/or. BOTH things can be true. People were pissed off at Clinton's DOMA signing AND held their noses while they voted to reelect him. They didn't just shrug and give him the benefit of the doubt the way you're suggesting. Nor did they work to see he didn't get reelected.
Recently, people may have been lead to believe they wouldn't have to do that anymore and are understandably angry that they are STILL expected to disconnect their feelings from their vote.
But that's the way it is and it's obviously not going to change.
Years ago I had a conversation with Bob Hattoy, not long after he became chairman of the Presidential Commission on HIV/AIDS under Bill Clinton. Hattoy was an HIV positive gay man. I asked him what it was like, dealing with Clinton. We as a community had been used to being used as punching bags by Reagan and GHW Bush. I asked Hattoy what happens with the anger now? He explained it was very difficult to get in Clinton's face with horror stories about life with HIV in order to get him to understand, because, where the previous administrations ignored such voices, Clinton's eyes would well up with tears and he'd hug you and say, "I feel your pain."
Since Obama seems completely incapable of expressing or even feigning empathy on the DOMA and DADT issues, and instead responds with wonky statements that begin with "Look, ..." and then go on to suggest that things are not as bad as gay and lesbian people feel they are... well, he shows how he's no Bill Clinton.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#115
Posted: 10/28/10 at 2:09pmWord, Namo. Well said.
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#116
Posted: 10/28/10 at 2:21pm
...Clinton's eyes would well up with tears and he'd hug you and say, "I feel your pain."
David Mixner said almost the exact same thing about Clinton.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#117
Posted: 10/28/10 at 2:24pm"I feel your pain. Now excuse me while I sign legislation ensuring that gay men and women will be second class citizens for at least another generation or two."
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#118
Posted: 10/28/10 at 2:30pm
Reminds me of Travolta in Primary Colors when he made up the story about his uncle and started crying.
Don't you think Clinton would have been able to do things differently if he were president NOW? I guess I am a fool to think that public opinion has shifted enough. Truly, it shouldn't matter WHAT the public opinion is. Equality is a basic human right. I am so tired of even thinking about this. I left the US to be with my wife. Because of immigration policies, her coming to the US wasn't an option. We didn't have a choice. I am thisclose to saying, "Screw it! Everybody head for greener pastures."
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#119
Posted: 10/28/10 at 3:01pm
Pointless to speculate about what Clinton would do now. He did it THEN, and that's what counts, and it accounts for his desperate attempts to remove the stain from his legacy by pretending that Colin Powell punked him on DADT.
Whatever. Clinton is just another clueless straight guy. And, of course, so is Obama. They don't get it, and they never will. We can add their calls for repeal of DADT and DOMA to their calls for the public option and calls for balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility -- total bull**** that will be completely shunted under the first available bus.
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Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#120
Posted: 10/28/10 at 3:09pmAh, I finally understand- It's the lack of feigned empathy everyone is so pissed about!
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#121
Posted: 10/28/10 at 3:36pm
I don't give a crap about empathy. Or tolerance, for that matter. Just fairness and equality.
Also, whenever I hear or read him (or one of his mouthpieces) going on about how great he is for the gays, I think about Donnie McClurkin. And Rick Warren. And God is in the Mix. etc.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#122
Posted: 10/28/10 at 3:58pm
"You know, God's in the mix" is the phrase that I wish he had never said, because that was essentially a promise to black Christian groups and white Christian groups that he would never, ever, ever support marriage for gays.
Because if you believe in something religiously, you can't just go back on it without having your faith called into question.
And with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands believing he still practices the Muslim faith of his father and step-father, he can't afford to have his Christian faith questioned.
"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. You, know, God's in the mix."
--Candidate Barack Obama, August 2008
Frankly, I think he was lying when he said that then, and I think he was lying yesterday. I think he really doesn't give a crap whether gay people marry each other or not.
But because there are more of them than there are of us, I don't think he'll ever take back that lie and change his position.
All because he was stupid enough (or craven enough) to put God in the goddamn mix.
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#123
Posted: 10/28/10 at 4:02pm
My vote is for craven. And a little cynical.
Not to mention how absurd it is for a constitutional scholar to object to someone's desire for equality because his god doesn't approve.
Updated On: 10/28/10 at 04:02 PM
Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election#124
Posted: 10/28/10 at 4:06pm
F*ck empathy. Empathy is for pussies. I want results.
Obama will follow the traditional route for highly placed politicians: only support gay rights when you're not in a position to do anything about it.
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